31-07-2003 02:02									#31
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I don't even know what to say about this... I mean, they were trying to rescue a woman from terrorists... so I really can't get very upset about that...

but they violated Brazilian sovereignty in trying... I don't know whether to be thrilled our boys caught them, or dismayed that she wasn't saved...

	31-07-2003 02:19									#32
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Why not be both?

	31-07-2003 02:59									#33
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It appears that everyone here, from the FARC and the Colombians to the French and the Brazilians, suffered from a severe lack of communication (in other words: to a degree, they may all be a bunch of liars).

	31-07-2003 03:46									#34
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quote: Originally posted by Arrian F'd up beyond all repair. -Arrian

Actually it's F'ed up beyond all recognition I thought.

	31-07-2003 03:52									#35
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quote: Originally posted by BustaMike Actually it's F'ed up beyond all recognition I thought.

FUBARized: Fouled up beyond all recognition.

	31-07-2003 03:55									#36
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Do you guys remember that scene in Saving Private Ryan where they wouldn't tell that new guy what FUBAR meant?

	31-07-2003 04:45									#37
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It's German

	31-07-2003 04:57									#38
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Why didn't they simply carry out some secret talks with Brazil and Columbia to get her out. I can't imagine they would say no to a rescue mission from terrorists. Or would they?

	31-07-2003 11:01									#39
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quote: Originally posted by Sava The same people who will bash France on this matter are the same ones that would defend the US, had they done the same thing.

And vis-versa.

	31-07-2003 11:04									#40
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French should of consulted at least Colombia.

	31-07-2003 11:36									#41
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"WHAT?! How dare France even have agents abroad!!! The US wouldnt even dare violate a nations soviergn rights!"

	31-07-2003 19:50									#42
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Hmmm... Mirriam Webster has snafu, but not fubar.

Tassadar: You have to admit that this is particularly clumsy...

	31-07-2003 20:10									#43
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Does the dictionary spell out what snafu stands for?

	31-07-2003 20:27									#44
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Yep...

Main Entry: 1sna·fu
Pronunciation: sna-'fü, 'sna-"fü
Function: noun
Etymology: situation normal all fvcked up (fouled up)
Date: circa 1941

	31-07-2003 20:29									#45
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Ah... Webster's... if you're ever looking for a good time... consult the dictionary!

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Their cover story was the worst I have ever heard. They could at least have tried to come up with something reasonable for why they would need a transport plane in the area on short notice. Then, they should have used this "emergency" to make urgent requests to Columbia or Brazil for flight permission and/or cooperation.

	01-08-2003 01:17									#47
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FUBAR is German???

	01-08-2003 01:18									#48
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I take it you never saw Saving Private Ryan, Ect?

	01-08-2003 01:19									#49
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Dang, thoses froggies did not have to go all the way to the Amazon to surrender, they could have done so much closer to home and in more comfort, say in Andorra.

	01-08-2003 01:20									#50
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ah, it's their answer, I see

and what does it mean in effect? does it relate to a messed up situation or a dead person?

(fouled up to all recognition that is)

	01-08-2003 01:21									#51
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Fouled Up Beyond All Recognition..

and it means whatever you like it to mean.. person, place, thing, event...

	01-08-2003 01:23									#52
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where does it come from?

	01-08-2003 03:55									#53
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quote: Originally posted by BeBro They all knew it, Chirac too, but someone has to be sacrificed in public, and that can´t be Chirac

This wouldn't be the first time. Back in the good ol' times (the 1995's), the Justice minister was sacrificed by Chirac: one of Chirac many crookeries was investigated by a new judge, and the Justice minister sent an expedition to take back the old judge taking a vacation at the Himalayas

Chirac's blunders are the last hope of French humour

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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc Can anyone tell me how de Villepin was able to move military assets around without informing at least Raffarin about it?

IIRC, French intelligence can get orders from the Defense and the Foreign minister (and I guess from the President as well). His decision was stupid, but I don't think it went further than Villepîn's abilities.

	01-08-2003 07:09									#55
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quote: Originally posted by Dom Pedro II I take it you never saw Saving Private Ryan, Ect?

The funny thing is that the explanation of FUBAR is the only line said in English in the German (dubbed) version of Saving Private Ryan. AFAIK it was "F***ed up beyond all recognition", although it is quite a long time since I saw the movie

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So in the German version, everyone speaks German...how subtle.

	01-08-2003 07:20									#57
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Well, they dub all movies (and tv stuff too) here - sometimes quite badly. Of course on DVD you can have several languages but in the cinema all movies (wirh some exceptions) are generally in German.

	01-08-2003 07:22									#58
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When in Vienna my class went to see an Italian movie based on the Gospel of Luke (from the 1950's, black and white, faithfull to the text), but of course dubbed...

Man, hearing Jesus make his big, rousing speeches in german was hillarious.

	01-08-2003 07:25									#59
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It is especially funny in some movies - eg. in Gladiator all spoke German - except the Germans in the beginning

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In the German dub Taxi 1, everybody speaks German... And the German villains (who weren't dubbed) are the worst at it