07-08-2003 22:09									#31
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quote: Originally posted by Flubber Also, I took the question to mean "openly" gay since there may already have been a gay president for all I know

Ah, good old James Buchanan!

	07-08-2003 22:09									#32
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Gays make up a very small percentage of the United States population, so I don't imagine any one of them becoming President soon.

	07-08-2003 22:13									#33
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psst, they get upset when you tell them they only make up a very small percentage of the population

	07-08-2003 22:18									#34
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An openly gay man or women will not be able to become president. America is too homophobic. America likes to exploit gayness on network and cable TV because the stereotype is that gay people (especially men) are funny, quirky people. America is too embroiled in its own ignorant stereotypes for an openly gay candidate to be taken seriously. It's 2003, and sodomy laws have JUST been declared unconstitutional. "Gay Sufferage", as I call it, has just begun. I think it will be at least 25-30 years before we have a president who ISN'T a hetero white male.

It won't happen any time soon, and probably not in MY lifetime (assuming I live to be 60-90+). And that really is a shame that America automatically discounts presidential hopefuls based upon something as silly as sexual orientation, race, and gender. Mind you, it's not an active policy... it's more like an unofficial boycott.

	07-08-2003 22:21									#35
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What's been up with Sava lately? Every now and then a 'semplence of rational thought seems to works it's way in between his normal spam frying festivles...

Sava; are you feeling alright? Or are you taking the same medication as Zylka?



Anyway, nice comment Sava

	07-08-2003 22:22									#36
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actually he's been doing that a lot lately. Which is strange, because I agree with him almost all the time now .

	07-08-2003 22:23									#37
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident psst, they get upset when you tell them they only make up a very small percentage of the population

Hey smart*ass, we know and we accept the fact that we are a small percentage of the population.

10% of population IS small.


As for the thread's question -- when Americans realize that sexual orientation will not affect a person's competence as president, then certainly, a gay or lesbian president is a possibility.

	07-08-2003 22:25									#38
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Diss, Japher: Just proves my point about ignorant stereotypes.

Anyways, I've been smokin' bud at night for about a month and a half. That seems to mellow me down.

	07-08-2003 22:27									#39
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what stereotype do I have? I was only making a joke. You'd have to see the other thread about how upset Boris got over my comments about gays making up a small percentage of the population. the truth hurts for some .

	07-08-2003 22:45									#40
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There's a disproportionately large number of people that want to kill me .

I agree its more likely that a president will come out while in office... certainly for the foreseeable future it would be political suicide to come out while in an election campaign - especially while the conservative christians wield so much political power. Still, ask one of them to provide you with a well reasoned argument for not having a gay president on the grounds of his/her sexuality (or any other of their usual positions), and the results are most amusing to anyone with even a light grounding in critical thinking (rant over)).

Still, for 2008, HILLARY!!! (or possibly Ted Kennedy's son? (simply because of the name - we're due a good assassination )).

	07-08-2003 22:46									#41
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident what stereotype do I have? I was only making a joke. You'd have to see the other thread about how upset Boris got over my comments about gays making up a small percentage of the population. the truth hurts for some .

no buddy, I was talking about your opinion of me.

	07-08-2003 22:47									#42
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quote: we're due a good assassination

... MUST <>>>>>> >>RRESIST>>>>> URGE>>>>>> BUSH<>>>>>AHHHHH

	07-08-2003 22:48									#43
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Sava:

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quote: ... MUST <>>>>>> >>RRESIST>>>>> URGE>>>>>> BUSH<>>>>>AHHHHH

Is the NSA there yet?

	07-08-2003 22:52									#45
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quote: Originally posted by Japher Is the NSA there yet?

no, but several black choppers are circling... wait, who's that.... HEL p opsa ap spasdijpp hahaahhhhh

	07-08-2003 23:02									#47
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Sava ain't worth their trouble. "President assassinated by stoner" is NOT a likely headline.

-Arrian

	07-08-2003 23:17									#48
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident what stereotype do I have? I was only making a joke. You'd have to see the other thread about how upset Boris got over my comments about gays making up a small percentage of the population. the truth hurts for some .

I dont recall getting upset, I just offered a thorough rebuttal of your silly claims. I don't recall you having any coherent answer to my points. Trying to dismiss anyone who disagrees by claiming they are just "upset" is rather childish, ain't it?

	07-08-2003 23:19									#49
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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov Ah, good old James Buchanan!

Hardly a ringing endorsement!

	07-08-2003 23:21									#50
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quote: Could a gay man/woman ever become president of the USA?

Ewwww, no.
The last thing we need is a man so obsessed with sex he'd boink even one of his interns, or a woman who is hell-bent on invading helpless countries like Iraq.

	07-08-2003 23:33									#51
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quote: Originally posted by Arrian Sava ain't worth their trouble. "President assassinated by stoner" is NOT a likely headline. -Arrian

nah, not a stoner... more like crackpot liberal

but you're right, the NSA and Secret Service know that I'm no threat.

	08-08-2003 01:40									#52
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident Britain! aren't those church memebers over there threatening to break apart from the U.S. church after they appointed a gay bishop? Face it, the British are no more superior than the americans with regards to bigotry. I don't see it happenning in the next 50 years. After that, anything is possible.

That's really the worst our churches have to offer - I think you'll find your Southern Baptists are worse, considering the CoE does actually allow gay people into the congregation and you don't see many funerals picketed over here...

So in reagrds to homosexuality, I'd say things in Britains are a teensy more enlightened....

	08-08-2003 05:42									#53
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We're more of a happy medium between the dutch liberal utopia, and american conservative hell....

	08-08-2003 11:21									#54
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well Boris, I could argue about your post in the other thread. But there is little point. Your mind is set, and so is mine.

It's all an argument about semantics and the definition of the word normal. I provided a definition of that word in the other thread.

There is nothing more to be said.

next topic please

	08-08-2003 18:07									#55
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quote: It won't happen any time soon, and probably not in MY lifetime (assuming I live to be 60-90+). And that really is a shame that America automatically discounts presidential hopefuls based upon something as silly as sexual orientation, race, and gender. Mind you, it's not an active policy... it's more like an unofficial boycott.

don't forget to include religion.
jfk was an aberration.

	08-08-2003 18:42									#56
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Hmm motivated to say no in hope, but with the way western society is heading ... Nah something will have happened to America to set it back before we get that far.