14-08-2003 11:26									#31
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I gave up smoking almost 4 years ago, mainly because I already have the lung damage you are fearing. My right lung has almost no alveoles left. If the same happened to my left lung, I would suffocate. My advice is, stop it now. If you grandma smokes again in front of you, ask her politely not to. If she insists, you have every right to be rude. You could even sue her.

Stop cold turkey. Don't take patches or gums, they only prolongue your pain.

	14-08-2003 11:26									#32
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quote: Originally posted by Serb Stop laughing, they broken my heart.

Nothing immense quantities of quality vodka can't cure

	14-08-2003 11:45									#33
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So true.
It's cured already.

	14-08-2003 11:52									#34
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quote: Originally posted by Sir Ralph Stop cold turkey. Don't take patches or gums, they only prolongue your pain.

Good advice.
I gave up smoking twice, but unfortunately started it again after few months. Gums, patches are crap. They don't help much. All you have to do is constantly repeat to yourself: "I don't smoke, I don't smoke, I don't smoke...it's not me who is smoking...it's not me who is smoking... it's not me who is smoking...

It calls auto-training

	14-08-2003 12:15									#35
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quote: Originally posted by Sir Ralph If you grandma smokes again in front of you, ask her politely not to. If she insists, you have every right to be rude. You could even sue her.

Nah, I wouldn't do that, I would just go somewhere else.

	14-08-2003 12:33									#36
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Two of my co-workers cough up black phelgm now and then due to their smoking addiction. Doesn't faze 'em, though. They're outside puffing away — rain, shine or blizzard — every hour or so at work.

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	14-08-2003 13:39									#37
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Maybe you should take out life insurance policies on them.

	14-08-2003 19:05									#38
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Well, The Onion suggests that you "go to prison, where cigarettes can only be acquired in exchange for painful sexual favors." Have you tried that? I'm at my wit's end.

	14-08-2003 19:23									#39
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My problem is that I really enjoy smoking. Not just the nicotine (sure, that's clearly a big part of it), but the actual act of smoking. I like holding the cig, playing with the smoke, etc.

That's one reason quitting is such a *****. The other part is the connection between drinking and smoking. I like booze too. I almost feel like I'll have to quit both - which might kill me Joking, joking!

So, in an effort to at least start moving in the right direction, I resolved to reverse my descent into addiction:

I used to only smoke on weekends. So, I resolved that I would go back to that. Even that has been hard, but I've (mostly) been able to do it.

I know I should quit. Have to, even. But I don't WANT to.

-Arrian

	14-08-2003 19:37									#40
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quote: Well, The Onion suggests that you "go to prison, where cigarettes can only be acquired in exchange for painful sexual favors." Have you tried that? I'm at my wit's end.

I think your wit ended long before that one .

	14-08-2003 19:50									#41
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quote: Originally posted by Arrian My problem is that I really enjoy smoking. Not just the nicotine (sure, that's clearly a big part of it), but the actual act of smoking. I like holding the cig, playing with the smoke, etc.

Buy a bubble blower and play with the bubbles instead... Oh, and don't inhale!

	14-08-2003 19:53									#42
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Gah, I think I'm close to one pack and a half these days, I feel ill.

Must find something else to release the dopamine

	14-08-2003 20:19									#43
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	14-08-2003 20:37									#44
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	14-08-2003 20:43									#45
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MY company makes Nicoderm... funny thing is, most of the people who actually make that product smoke...

I'm at 1.5 packs a day too, but I have started to only smoke about 2/3 of each cig... I am about to stop.

	14-08-2003 20:48									#46
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That makes me wonder: people smoke because of the nicotine "key" to the biochemical reactions in the brain which release ephoric substances.

To do that they smoke, necessairily intaking tar which leads to all sort of diseases but which is not the main substance for which they smoke.


Couldn't some company just put out a product that would offer, at a cheap price and widdely available like cigs in kiosks etc, the nicotine key without all those unecessairy substances that are in fact causing the health problems?

It is already been done to an extend with the smoking substitutes. What if they were marketed as alternative to smoking instea of "quitter helpers" and be made the new safe cigs?

	14-08-2003 20:51									#47
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paiktis; that would be nice now wouldn't it, but what kind of substance would that be, and how would it be cheaper than just growing tobacco?

I've seen those tubes that look like cigs and you put something in it that transfers nicotine to you so you get the feel and drug that you are looking for, but to make the stuff that goes in those tubes is rather expensive.

	14-08-2003 20:55									#48
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I see. It's a matter of cost then. Propably the reason why in most countries I think nicotine substitutes fall under the "medics" category.

Still I'm sure if scientists put their mind to it they could eventually come up with a cheap process of creating nicotine maybe from tobacco, or even synthetic nicotine ( ) and go on with the project...

They could really make millions...

	14-08-2003 21:10									#49
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Problem with doin' that here (US) is that it would still fall under FDA regulations, and would probably end up as a controlled substance due to the addictive nature of that substitute.

	14-08-2003 21:17									#50
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But cigs are addictive and there're not made illegal anywhere?
Basically the only difference between "old" cigs and new cigs would be that the new ones would not hurt the physiology of the "smoker". The addiction would be on the psychological and of course the biological level but without the ill effects of "regular" smoking.

	14-08-2003 21:19									#51
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Of course there're must propably be a dozen of drugs that do what I say, using other substances. Psycho drugs. The difference with the "new" cigs would be that they'd have taken all the """good""" (under lots of "") of cigs and leave behind all the bad. And would be freely circulated?

	14-08-2003 21:23									#52
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It would still be a different product (of course) and would be addictive. Those are really hard to get through these days for everyday use. I know it's a good idea, but the laws in place would make it difficult. It would be kind of like methadone; try selling that at the local market.

	14-08-2003 21:27									#53
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I see your point very well.
However doesn't it strike you as very hypocritical for all countries involved to allow that very same drug on the market IF it also comes with cancer enducing ingredients? Like regular cigs do?

I mean

	14-08-2003 21:29									#54
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Yes, I think it is silly that the FDA involvement with cigs are only for a consumable product and yet its primary or selling ingredient is considered a drug. Very two-sided. It would be a battle to get the less-bad product as over the counter, but a battle worth the fight, both for health purposes and for profit...