16-08-2003 02:43									#31
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quote: Originally posted by Comrade Tassadar No matter how much they try to deny it, due to their humanity, I do believe that they have a bias against those whom they don't like (for any reason). If that were not true, they would not be human!!!

Let me say it again... I don't personally give a damn about a majority of the posters here... The ones I've met in person, and the ones I've played MP games with for a long time, I consider as friends... but I ban and PCR those as well.

There is not a single person that I dislike... I have no reason to dislike anybody. People are way too paranoid if they really think they are being picked on because "we might not like them" or because we don't agree with them... If I banned people I didn't agree with, about 2/3 of the people here wouldn't be posting anymore.

I'm concerned with the rules being followed. As I stated above, some people are treated differently than others... but it's based on their past history of following the rules... now about who they are personally or what they believe in.

If you want to continue to think that you are being treated unfairly because of your beliefs... that's your problem... not mine.

	16-08-2003 02:48									#32
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quote: Originally posted by Ming Let me say it again... I don't personally give a damn about a majority of the posters here... The ones I've met in person, and the ones I've played MP games with for a long time, I consider as friends... but I ban and PCR those as well. There is not a single person that I dislike... I have no reason to dislike anybody. People are way too paranoid if they really think they are being picked on because "we might not like them" or because we don't agree with them... If I banned people I didn't agree with, about 2/3 of the people here wouldn't be posting anymore. I'm concerned with the rules being followed. As I stated above, some people are treated differently than others... but it's based on their past history of following the rules... now about who they are personally or what they believe in. If you want to continue to think that you are being treated unfairly because of your beliefs... that's your problem... not mine.

I can see this is a very sensative issue for our Lord Minginess. Therefore I will drop it
Forgive me lord

	16-08-2003 02:50									#33
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Yeah I think a reasonable attempt at consistency is made.

I think Tass's point is, can you really put your hand on your heart and say you wouldn't give a buddy a leetle more leeway if he started misbehaving?

	16-08-2003 03:09									#34
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quote: Originally posted by Comrade Tassadar I can see this is a very sensative issue for our Lord Minginess.

I disagree... I'm not the one that ever brings it up... It's always somebody else who brings it up So they are the sensitive and paranoid ones... I'm only answering questions that are being asked... And I continue to give the same answer...

quote: I think Tass's point is, can you really put your hand on your heart and say you wouldn't give a buddy a leetle more leeway if he started misbehaving?

As many of my buddies here know... I would answer no.

While I WILL be a tad politer in the PM warnings that I send... I do send the warnings. As as some have found out... being a buddy doesn't stop me from restricting and PCRing you.

I even send warnings to rah... and he takes them very seriously

	16-08-2003 03:11									#35
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quote: Originally posted by Ming I even send warnings to rah... and he takes them very seriously

Wow, wouldn't that cause brotherly friction? Plus I thought mods, by definition, couldn't spam.

	16-08-2003 03:21									#36
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I send warnings for more things than spamming

And remember, he hasn't been a mod for all that long.

Now that he is a mod... any actions against him would be considered a private staff matter

	16-08-2003 04:36									#37
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quote: Originally posted by Ming Now that he is a mod... any actions against him would be considered a private staff matter

How come that the yin26 affair wasn't that private then?

	16-08-2003 04:48									#38
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I wasn't involved in that one... To the best of my memory, I thought yin was the one that was vocal on the subject

	16-08-2003 04:51									#39
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quote: If you see a threadjacking happen... feel free to click on the thread/post complaint button.

Hm..

	16-08-2003 04:55									#40
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quote: Originally posted by Ming I wasn't involved in that one... To the best of my memory, I thought yin was the one that was vocal on the subject

Yes, IIRC (it was just before I registered, but I did read a few threads in that time) he posted something from a PM about him being a troll, and than Markos responded by taking his moderatorship.

	16-08-2003 05:02									#41
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Oh... I remember it... very well... I was there

But yin was the one that made it a public matter...

	16-08-2003 05:10									#42
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Ming, my point was that everyone is human. Despite anyones best efforts, a bias is always made at least in the subconscious mind which will influence decisions. It's human to make biases towards people you like, even if you are trying to remain neutral.
But while you do a good job of keeping it in check, there are times when you slip up. But thats ok, cause it's only human

And Yin? What are we speaking of?
* Comrade Tassadar feels like a n00b

	16-08-2003 05:29									#43
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Comrade Tassadar... just because you may have such failings... doesn't mean everybody else does

	16-08-2003 05:31									#44
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quote: Originally posted by Ming Comrade Tassadar... just because you may have such failings... doesn't mean everybody else does

I've dipped a bit into psychology. Just one of my findings Although it is pretty common sense .

	16-08-2003 05:42									#45
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Most psychology is just that... common sense

	16-08-2003 06:27									#46
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I've never felt that I was singled out by a mod. I've felt that a little politeness in the PMs I've received would help.

But the mod wasn't wrong.

ACK!

	16-08-2003 18:13									#47
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quote: Originally posted by Comrade Tassadar And Yin? What are we speaking of? * Comrade Tassadar feels like a n00b

yin is an old user that was very active and did some good work some time ago. He became mod, but lost his mind under an argument with Markos and posted a PM. After he was relieved of his mod responsibilities he left and has after that only been seen a few times here. A pity, because I liked to have him here... BTW, I think he left some time after Civ3 was published. It was before your time...

	16-08-2003 18:26									#48
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I never knew Yin has been a mod, but I have seen him in about most of the SimGolf threads there has been

	16-08-2003 18:40									#49
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Demoted from mod, down past poster, all the way to lurker.

	16-08-2003 18:55									#50
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Well they are called Private Messages for a reason...

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	16-08-2003 19:03									#51
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Yin26 is still around here, but maybe not that visible. At least when it comes to MoO3/RoN/OT forums.

	16-08-2003 19:20									#52
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Yin posted when Civ3 came out, and more recently in the Galciv forums. He still lurks I think.

	16-08-2003 19:32									#53
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Wait 'til you meet Libertarian...

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	16-08-2003 20:44									#54
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oohh, yin and libertarian, those were the days. what do we have now? tass and... well, never mind.

I feverishly try not to spam everyday. I could say that I'm being successful most of the time.

	16-08-2003 22:17									#55
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quote: Originally posted by Comrade Tassadar I've dipped a bit into psychology. Just one of my findings Although it is pretty common sense .

Just give up. It's obvious that you and Ming have differing views on what is humanly possible regarding bias towards friends. And no amount of arguing on your point is going to change Ming's mind.

I agree with you, but that's because I feel my friends deserve to get special treatment from me.

	16-08-2003 22:55									#56
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My friends do get special treatment... My PM warnings are more polite. But the content remains the same, just the tone varies. The rules are the rules... that doesn't change for anybody but owners

	17-08-2003 02:37									#57
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quote: The rules are the rules...

Yeah but the rules are free for interpretation. I'm on Tass' side. You can't prevent being a tiny biased.

	17-08-2003 03:24									#58
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quote: Originally posted by Zopperoni Most important is that "mods, per definition, do not spam"

That's so? I seem to remember an incident where one notorious mod happened to spam the ot, pretending there were seven of him. Guess the real Ming or something...

	17-08-2003 04:04									#59
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Oh, come on, that was anything but spam. Find a better example.

	17-08-2003 05:19									#60
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quote: Originally posted by rah Oh, come on, that was anything but spam.