23-08-2003 20:56									#31
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Ok, so I was wrong.

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Christianity has some of the most noble philosophical sentiments you will find at its core. Jefferson felt that the teachings of Jesus were sublime, but that Paul had corrupted the message and had turned Jesus into a divine figure out of fanatical desire to bring people to his side. That's why Jefferson created a version of the Bible in which he removed the supernatural elements, which he felt were ludicrous, and removed a lot of Paul's words.

I don't see why there would be an incompatibility between believing the teachings ascribed to Jesus are wonderful things and yet rejecting the supernatural elements.

"Love one another" requires no supernatural beliefs.

	23-08-2003 21:15									#33
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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov http://www.biblehistory.com/Hell%20Jewish.html The Jewish concept of "Hell" was far different from the Christian one that developed. Certainly much more philosophically nuanced and creative than the "burn forever" place. I mean, how passe is that?

Interesting,
the jewish concept of having no separate Heaven and Hell, but instead having a Soul which is punishing itelf by thinking about the bad Deeds it has done in Life much more resembles the Concept from Hell I have once developed for my personal Beliefs,

Much more than the catholic Concept of a separate Hell were Souls are tormented by Satan and his Devils
(and it is of cause much more different than the Sea of Fire which Jack Chicks always nmentioned to be the Place were People even for the slighted Failure are thrown into by their "loving" God to suffer for Eternity)

	23-08-2003 21:21									#34
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If there is a Hell for wicked, evil people, Jack Chick will be consigned to the lowest depths of it.

	23-08-2003 21:24									#35
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quote: Originally posted by Boddington's Yeah..I believe the moral teachings of Christianity are , but can't bring myself to believe in all those myths about Jesus and God etc.

I am curious. What "myths" are you referring to?

	23-08-2003 21:33									#37
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quote: Originally posted by skywalker

Why are you laughing?

He could be talking about Jesus' miracles, His resurrection, His virgin birth or maybe all of the above, or maybe even something else.

I was simply hoping to get a bit more specific.

	23-08-2003 21:35									#38
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I believe he's referring to all the supernatural aspects of the New Testament.

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Boddington -- go window shopping for the right Christian denomination that you would feel most comfortable in.

I was raised Catholic, but when I was 18, I was no longer religiously observant, since my parents stopped forcing me to go to the local church to worship.

But at this point in life, I might turn back to religious active faith in the Episcopalian (spelling?) denomination due to their progressive views on contemporary issues (at least some Episcopalian branches do).

	23-08-2003 21:39									#40
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quote: Originally posted by MrFun Boddington -- go window shopping for the right Christian denomination that you would feel most comfortable in.

Is there a Christian denomination which follows the teachings of Jesus but does not believe in the miracles or his divinity? Bodd's issue is that he doesn't believe the supernatural myths, so any denomination that accepted that would not be his thing.

The only religious affiliations I can see that would appeal to him would be Unitarianism (and only in some forms) and Deism.

	23-08-2003 21:43									#41
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a lot of people don't believe in the common concept of hell (in fact, many mainstream denominations don't)

Jon Miller
if hell is anything it is this earth

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a lot of people who are on the outskirts of christianity (often from the christian side) are where Bods is at

tehy beleive in god and they think that christ was a good man but they don't belieive in miracles (and there concept fo god is often deist or pantheist)

Jon Miller

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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov Is there a Christian denomination which follows the teachings of Jesus but does not believe in the miracles or his divinity? Bodd's issue is that he doesn't believe the supernatural myths, so any denomination that accepted that would not be his thing. The only religious affiliations I can see that would appeal to him would be Unitarianism (and only in some forms) and Deism.

hmmm . . . . . ok, then

	24-08-2003 00:53									#44
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Today, the cathgolic vision of hell is a sphere in which the souls suffer of lack of God.

	24-08-2003 01:42									#45
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Heaven and hell = Carrot and stick. Why? Control of people.

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I'm so glad I'm going to have some elbow-room in Heaven.
I can't stand a closed-in feeling.
All you no-good bastards who will be roasting in Hell are really appreciated by me.

	24-08-2003 03:47									#47
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I don't know how it is in UK, but I don't know how Christians get new recruits.

Christian culture and music is the most dry, boring, and steralized culture ever.

	24-08-2003 03:53									#48
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Jackass.

	24-08-2003 03:53									#49
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Ted's never heard any good, rockin' Gospel music .

	24-08-2003 03:55									#50
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I'm not talking about black churches.

I'm talking about the mainstream Chrisitian culture and yes it is BORING

	24-08-2003 03:58									#51
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Uninformed Jackass.

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That wasn't very Christian of you was it?



It's still boring though.

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I'm not talking about "Bringing In The Sheaves".
Christian Rock, and other genres are, becoming big.
Seriously.
If you're just talking Hymns, I still think some are very good.

	24-08-2003 04:04									#54
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If he was being Christian, he'd kill you in a expression of religious fervor .

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quote: Originally posted by SlowwHand I'm not talking about "Bringing In The Sheaves". Christian Rock, and other genres are, becoming big. Seriously. If you're just talking Hymns, I still think some are very good.

This falls under what I'm talking about.


These artists are all "restrained," and it's all a part of the guilt complex that American churches especially bore into everybody from day 1.

Most Churches preach so much guilt and following the rules that everyone is afraid to let loose in fear of being judged or being a sinner. So everything is so watered down and steralized.

You know when people are full of spirit you can feel it. But all I see from these artists in an act on stage.

Let loose. That's what it is REALLY about.

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I tell you another thing, too many people are under the mistaken impression that Christian=Wimp.
Jesus said turn the other cheek, and I will.
Once the other cheek is hit, hell's coming to breakfast.

	24-08-2003 04:39									#57
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Well, if you're looking for something to make you feel happy, warm, and cuddly inside, I suggest you acquire a large pile of money so you can afford a heroin habit. Most religions stress a search for truth regardless of how you feel about it. If you try to fit your perception of reality to your personal feelings, what you are engaging in is not religion so much as voluntary hallucination, which is what most "religion" is today.

	24-08-2003 05:39									#58
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quote: Originally posted by Ted Striker Christian culture and music is the most dry, boring, and steralized culture ever.

You should try socialist realism

	24-08-2003 05:41									#59
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Buddhism!!

	24-08-2003 05:42									#60
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I like Jesus the man.
The Jesus from 'The last temptation of Christ'.


christianity should have depicted him as a human being with nice things to say, a generally top bloke.