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Velociryx
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of Candle'Bre
Apr 1999
time: 05:30
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Stopped in December 1st, 1421, with our "fleet" back in the port of Lancashire.....we can do this....the question is....should we?
We have 72d after the TC promotions, so again, it'd be a war with scant reinforcements....we'd have to make best possible use of the troops available.....but given that everything Irish but the capitol is unfortified, we'd have an easy enough time with capturing provinces, and the whole of the Irish army is in the capitol....if we landed Douglas first, in Connaught, he could no doubt fend off a slightly larger, leaderless force with a terrain advantage....the fleet could make for Lancashire, pick up another load of troops (5k), dropping them in Leinster, leave a covering force of 2k to prevent recruitment, send 2k to Munster for the same purpose, and reinforce Connaught....a third trip to land troops either in Connaught direct or in Ulster if the Irish are attacking Connaught, and we lock the whole of their kingdom down. Then it's a matter of one siege and extortion?
What goals should we set for such an invasion then? Should we aim to grow again at the expense of the Irish, or get the 100% war score and vassalize?
-=Vel=-
EDIT: And of course, if we do this thing, we'll NOT be calling our allies....don't want anybody gaining Irish territory but us!
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Velociryx
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of Candle'Bre
Apr 1999
time: 05:30
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Other pertinent details of the last session:
Gunther's Band has been rolled into our "Yorkshire Regiment" and stands as the single largest force we have under arms. The shattered RSA and Army of the Highlands have retired to Northumberland, where they together, amount to ~50% of the Yorkshire Regiment's force.
Our solid performance against the English has earned us favor with France (relations increased from zero to +102, and a RM arranged with them saw a further increase to +117....so we can rely on France in any future engagement with England, it seems.
Other than that, and the aforementioned of TC's in our new holdings, not much has changed, and I'll stop playing now till we can come to some reckoning over what to do with the Irish situation....an attack would be risky, given our scant navy....on the other hand, an attack would be profitable for us....we'd lose troops, which would be a non-disbanding method for us to get under the max supportable size (and pretty much anything is better than disbanding!), we'd gain pillage income, potentially gain territory and/or a vassal (further income)....and whatever we could extort from the Irish and their landlocked allies.
As of the war's end, we have a total of 11,257 Infantry and 5652 Cavalry under arms....max supportable army size of 10k....
-=Vel=-
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Velociryx
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of Candle'Bre
Apr 1999
time: 05:30
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Consolidated thoughts so far re: an Invasion of Eire:
Purpose
IF we do this, then the overriding reason behind it will be to gain pillage, war tax, and extortion income from the Irish in order to pay our loans which are due in two years' time.
Further, this war MUST BE concluded, and the bulk of our army back home before our truce expires with England.....we lack the naval presence to even HOPE to stand up to England's fleet (as our one, very brief naval encounter so resoundingly informed us), and we do not want the bulk of our forces on Ireland when the English attack.
A secondary purpose to the war will be to either gain territory at Irish expense OR to gain Ireland as a vassal for income that way (note - if we do this, then we had best be ready to spend some coin in a diplomatic push to boost relations with Ireland after the fact).
Assets:
5 Warships, ~11k Infantry, and ~5k Cavalry
With a landing capacity of 5k, our first landing is crucial, and we will need every advantage we can gain....thus, I propose we land with Douglas, and a force of 3k Infantry, 2k Cavalry in Connaught. This will give us a leader and a terrain advantage, which should serve to offset the Irish numerical advantage if they attack our force there when we land (and they undoubtedly will)
Once the Army of Douglas makes landfall, the fleet could retire to Lancashire to resupply, take on 5,000 Infantry. These forces could be dropped off in Leinster and split 3-ways....2k to remain in Leinster to cover and prevent recruitment (and to do battle with any troops currently under recruitment), with 2k dispatched to Munster for that purpose as well, and the additional 1k moving to reinforce the Army of Douglas in Connaught.
IF Douglas succeeds in driving back the Irish in Connaught, he could leave 1k (infantry) behind to cover the province (expecting an additional 1k reinforcements from Leinster, and advance on Ulster with the rest of his force....we could then transport the rest of our army to Ulster direct to assist with the siege, and upon completion, we'd have a 100% warscore against Ireland, and would be free to demand whatever terms we desired.
-=Vel=-
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Velociryx
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of Candle'Bre
Apr 1999
time: 05:30
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The opening of the war begins pretty much as we expected, with Douglas landing in Connaught....in light of a total absense of an Irish response, Douglas orders a one thousand cavalry detachment to ride south, and claim the southern provinces for us, pillaging as they go....the second "wave" also lands in Connaught, but we are stymied by the lone Irish warship, which makes landing the third wave of our force in Connaught impossible, so we opt for a Leinster landing instead....with those forces in position (and the 1k cav detachment back in Douglas' fold), we march!
 Attachment: 1423, march, it begins.jpg
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Velociryx
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of Candle'Bre
Apr 1999
time: 05:30
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Regardless of what we do insofar as peace is concerned, I would like to delay the peace offer till August 1st, raising war taxes then, so we can gain another healthy boost to our treasury, so we can appoint tax collectors if we opt to claim territory, etc, and to give us a boost in general....
-=Vel=-
EDIT: When the war with Eire began, we had 11,257/5652 men under the banner of Scotland.
At the war's close, we find ourselves with 8487/5112
Total losses in this war: 3310 (2770/540)
Total Irish losses: 7000
-V.
Last edited by Velociryx on 29-08-2003 at 09:14
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Velociryx
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of Candle'Bre
Apr 1999
time: 05:30
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Yep....it was BEAUTIFUL!!! Going into 1424 (January), we had 401d, had to repay the first loan in January, and I just kept right on minting coins to keep raising money, so that when we hit april, we had ~212 or so....paid the second loan and we're good....debt-free. 
I ran the game up to August 2nd, raised War Taxes, and then saved her off....we've got 43d with a net gain of just over 9d per month as things stand right now. Inflation is 5.6%, which is the only part of the picture I don't like.
I plan to keep minting coin for us till the end of the year, get that money plus the census taxes and see where we stand.
With regards to Eire....I'm kinna leaning that way myself (keeping territory)....if we were the head of an alliance, we could vassalize and then invite the Irish into our fold, but as we're a junior partner, vassalizing Eire would leave them incapable of making any allies (not that their former ones helped them any), which would leave them extremely vulnerable.
Add to that the fact that the provinces all come bearing our CB shields (no nationalism) and share our culture....I'm mightily tempted to make the landgrab....
-=Vel=-
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Velociryx
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of Candle'Bre
Apr 1999
time: 05:30
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I went ahead and took the land grab after talking with you and considering the matter further...snagging all the Irish provinces, 'cept their capitol, and 50d.
Was in the midst of consolidating our troops to ask opinions about what kind of garrison force we should leave in Ireland (IMO, we should bring Douglas back to Northumberland or Lancashire....won't be long before the English come calling again), but I do think we should leave something in Ireland....just not sure what!
Anyway, was in the midst of that, when we got our first event, "The Ransoming of the King, and the Purge of the High Chiefs"
It seems that King James has been kidnapped, and that the kidnapping was arranged by, and approved by the Clan Chiefs themselves!
200d to get him back.
Our choices are:
Forget the king (nothing happens)
Ransom the king (-200d) and punish the chiefs (+1 tax val in Lothian and Grampion) (+2 Centralization, -2 Aristocracy, -2 Stability, 13 years of +3 revolt risk)
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Ransom the king (-200d) but forgive the Chiefs (+1 Tax val in Lothian) (+1 Centralization, -1 Aristocracy)
Good choices, those last two. As of September, when the event fired, we have 105d, so we'll need to float another loan if we ransom, but on the other hand, we'd see some strong gains in productivity with either ransom choice.....the +3 rr for 13 years is....harsh, but on the other hand, that's a total of 40-years worth of slider moves!
Opinions?
Attachment: 1424, september.jpg
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Velociryx
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of Candle'Bre
Apr 1999
time: 05:30
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Also, there is a pressing question of what to do regarding standardizing taxation in our three new provinces....It'll wind up costing us 53d per TC, with three to appoint (159d to get all three), with the benefit of pulling 100% of the available annual census taxes from our Irish holdings...I *think* we can get all three appointments starting this year (and certainly two...we've got the money for that right now). The question is....should we, or should we wait? If we appoint now, then we squeeze the budget pretty tight, at a time when we KNOW England is going to come knocking soon....however, given that we have just--starting with our 4 provinces--come off of a period where we floated and paid for two loans, we could easily do it again, now that our kingdom has more than doubled in size in ~5 years time....still, the flexibility of cash now, or shall we aim for long term growth?
And by the way....the acquisition of the three Irish provinces brings us to a total of nine provs under the Scottish banner, up from the four we began with....not bad....not bad at all! It remains to be seen though, if we can keep them from English fury....
-=Vel=-
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Velociryx
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of Candle'Bre
Apr 1999
time: 05:30
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 Glad you like the idea....I'm enjoying putting it together and seeing how it plays out....VERY happy with the results so far, I must say!
With regards to the RR....yep, it's just whatever the normal rr is, plus 3, so if we keep our stability up, we won't even know it's there for the most part (which, however, means limiting our use of WT for the next 13 years, or running the increased risk of rebellion)....not that we can't manage that, we just can't use WT at EVERY opportunity like I've been doing. And you're right, with RR calculated annually now, rather than monthly, this penalty isn't nearly as bad as it could be (or as it used to be, for that matter).
:: pondering::
I dunno....the economic gain prolly nearly offsets the increase in cav cost, and given that, plus the revision in the way ww is calculated....let's do it!
-=Vel=-
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Velociryx
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of Candle'Bre
Apr 1999
time: 05:30
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The Current Situation:
Two (2) points of War Exhaustion (will be gone by the mid-point of this year, or sooner).
Currently plying all our efforts into increasing national stability....we should be at +2 by the time our truce with England expires, meaning that we'd be in a position to make use of War Taxes if needs be.
Current treasury = 109d, will drop to 74d by year's end, and we shall see from there how much we get in January, to see if we'll need some coin minting to get enough coin to pay the loan we took to ransom our King.
I will get us some economic data up by this evening....I know that our national productivity began at a dismal 11%, growing to 13% after our first nudge toward centralization....dunno exactly what it's at now (17% after the +2 centralization, but I don't recall exactly what the productivity impact is for -2 Aristocracy).
Will also post our new troop costs and detailed troop placements as soon as I get the last of our army from our Irish posessions back to Scotland.
One thing I definitely think we should do is to prepare a 1000-odd cavalry force in advance, to be specifically used for pillaging. Given how powerful that strategy was for us--allowing us to pay off two loans we otherwise would not have had a prayer at--I think we should do it with a vengeance against the English should they declare against us.
The other big thing to discuss is defensive plans against England.
Northumberland is easy to hold...good terrain, and we'd have all the advantages....Lancashire is wide open spaces tho, and will be more difficult if the English hit us with all the force they could. Not sure exactly WHAT to do there....
The good news is that for now, the English forces arrayed before us are in numbers we can cope with, being:
A 200-odd man garrison in Wales
2300 men in Yorkshire
5000 men in Midlands
And that's it....or at least, that's what we can see.
Another good thing is our size, relative to England...at game start, England had 17 provinces to our 4.....we have closed that gap to England 13, Scotland 9....not that the raw number of provinces tells the full story, but it's a good broad-based indicator in this case....and we're much more able to stand up to them by virtue of our expanded base of resources!
-=Vel=-
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Velociryx
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of Candle'Bre
Apr 1999
time: 05:30
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In terms of beating England if they declare against us--and we have to believe that the odds of that happening are extremely high, given that we humiliated them and killed one of their famed generals in our last engagement--the key, I think, is to defeat the forces separately, before they can unite.
The Wales garrison is of scant concern....too small to truly be a factor even IF they combine....but we'll need to pounce on that 2k force in York and nail them before they can link up with the 5k in Midlands. To that end, I propose that we give Douglas all the cav we can spare (pure cav force) and if war comes, have him drive HARD toward York and smash that force....odds are good that the 5k in Midlands will move to hit Lancashire, and with Douglas' movement bonus, he can get to York, give battle and arrive back at Lancashire in time for defense....After that, we unleash the pillage force and split the army if needs be to pursue both beaten English forces, focusing on keeping the enemy armies off balance before worrying overmuch about sieges.
Thoughts?
-=Vel=-
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Nikolai
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Bergen, Norway
Oct 2000
time: 06:30
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quote:
Originally posted by Velociryx
IIRC, we'll have something like 1235 Infantry posted to Eire after this last load gets picked up....would you recommend leaving an additional thousand on the Emerald Isle, or is your sense of it that that's sufficient?
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Hmmmm... That's difficult... You don't need any more in Meath, but the question is: Are you able to prevent qith some certainity the invasion of English troops by sea? I think it'll be possible, but you're the one with the save game!
Another question, that I don't remember right now: When you have your troops stationed in Meath, you will 100% surely win against the recruits that England might build, but will you annhilate them completely? If so(I think it's so), no problem, but if not you'll need a unit more to teke care of them!
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