27-08-2003 09:21									#31
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Let's all go to bed now, and sleep on this, ok?

	27-08-2003 09:22									#32
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Really, I am curious.

What great terrorist threat has the US prevented by invading Iraq???

Would the Jordanian Embassy have been bombed if Saddam were still in power? What about that attack on the UN?

I put it to the hawks on this forum that this 'war' has actually encouraged terrorist attacks and is gradually turning Iraq into 'Al Qaeda Alley'...

Bravo!

	27-08-2003 09:24									#33
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quote: Originally posted by MOBIUS Sorry, I am not the Prime Minister, so short of assassinating him I fail to see what I could have done to prevent it except complain vociferously and go on the anti war march in London - which I did both...

And this differs from the President HOW?

quote: I just said that the UK pop was AGAINST the war - Blair only succeeded in getting back despite a massive rebellion from his own party by deliberately misleading the country over the threat posed by Saddam!

And YOU let him do it.

	27-08-2003 09:25									#34
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quote: Originally posted by MOBIUS Really, I am curious. What great terrorist threat has the US prevented by invading Iraq??? Would the Jordanian Embassy have been bombed if Saddam were still in power? What about that attack on the UN? I put it to the hawks on this forum that this 'war' has actually encouraged terrorist attacks and is gradually turning Iraq into 'Al Qaeda Alley'... Bravo!

Good, get 'em in one spot so we can hunt down and grease the mother****ers.

	27-08-2003 09:26									#35
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quote: Originally posted by MOBIUS Bravo!

Yes excellent troll ATTEMPT


This troll is so summer 2002

Move on to something new

	27-08-2003 09:26									#36
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quote: Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat Most of the post-May 1 fatalities have been non-combat related. Vehicle accidents, a couple of illness and heat casualties, some ordnance disposal accidents, etc. **** happens on extended deployments, even without the added combat and booby traps from the *******s. If it was easy, then civilians would do it.

Roughly half to be precise...

I put it to you that to the US public back home that a dead marine in a body bag from heatstroke is pretty much the same as one with his head blown off...

Therefore the total number of US soldiers killed in Iraq is still 276...

	27-08-2003 09:26									#37
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I'd rather have them blowing **** up in Iraq than in New York.

	27-08-2003 09:28									#38
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quote: Originally posted by MOBIUS Roughly half to be precise... I put it to you that to the US public back home that a dead marine in a body bag from heatstroke is pretty much the same as one with his head blown off... Interesting to note that the report (US) does not make the distinction you do. Therefore the total number of US soldiers killed in Iraq is still 276...

	27-08-2003 09:28									#39
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quote: Originally posted by MOBIUS Roughly half to be precise... I put it to you that to the US public back home that a dead marine in a body bag from heatstroke is pretty much the same as one with his head blown off... Therefore the total number of US soldiers killed in Iraq is still 276...

Nope, US soldiers dead. Killed means someone did it to them :P

Anyway, you can't say the occupation will fail because we have vehicle accidents we probably have less than average.

	27-08-2003 09:29									#40
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Prolly you would be less likely to die in a vehicle accident in Iraq than you would on the US freeways.

I guarantee that's a fact too.

	27-08-2003 09:31									#41
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I HAT U @2@@!!!!!!!!! :YOUDIEBI***:

	27-08-2003 09:31									#42
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quote: Originally posted by Ted Striker Yes excellent troll ATTEMPT This troll is so summer 2002 Move on to something new

Hey I'll take that as a compliment - especially as you avoided answering the perfectly reasonable question involved...

	27-08-2003 09:31									#43
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quote: Originally posted by Comrade Tassadar I HAT U @2@@!!!!!!!!! :YOUDIEBI***:

word

	27-08-2003 09:32									#44
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quote: Originally posted by MOBIUS Hey I'll take that as a compliment - especially as you avoided answering the perfectly reasonable question involved...

I didn't avoid sh1t

You asked how the US and UK get out of there

It was the wrong question in the first place.

	27-08-2003 09:36									#45
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quote: Originally posted by skywalker Nope, US soldiers dead. Killed means someone did it to them :P Anyway, you can't say the occupation will fail because we have vehicle accidents we probably have less than average.

Aww bless, I can almost feel the desperation that prompted you to make that lame post...

When someone dies in a vehicle accident for example, it is quite routine to be reported as 'person X was killed'...

Dead is dead - the US public sees body bags. They don't care how the person died - only that they died in Iraq...

	27-08-2003 09:37									#46
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You're point?

	27-08-2003 09:38									#47
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quote: Originally posted by Ted Striker I didn't avoid sh1t You asked how the US and UK get out of there It was the wrong question in the first place.

You don't know the answer - ergo it was the wrong question...!

	27-08-2003 09:40									#48
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quote: Originally posted by skywalker You're point?

My point is that I am allowed to say '276 US soldiers killed, and that you are therefore wrong!

Wake up boys! Standards are slipping on Poly!

	27-08-2003 09:43									#49
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Just because they say killed, doesn't mean it's correct.

	27-08-2003 09:44									#50
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quote: Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat Good, get 'em in one spot so we can hunt down and grease the mother****ers.

Except that we are playing the moving targets and there's a few million more of them than there are us...

	27-08-2003 09:45									#51
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You assert that there are over three hundred million terrorists in the world? Or even a few million (if you're talking about the military)?

	27-08-2003 09:46									#52
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Your question isn't really a question because it's a troll. So put the [transparent] front down and get real for a second you w anker.

It goes back to that old, "well as soon as the body bags pile up the Americans will want to bring troops home," troll. Your sad post is riddled with hot troll words, like "bodybags," and "retreat."

You want to know how to get troops out of there NOW. Well sorry, it's not gonna happen.


The answer to MY question is the answer that's been right in front of your face the whole time, and it is that the US and UK will stay however damn long it takes to rebuild the country and secure the peace.

So find a new topic amateur.

At least Horse comes up with original material for his US trolls.

	27-08-2003 09:48									#53
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MOBEUS's trolls are painfully dull and inane.

	27-08-2003 09:49									#54
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They are just so repetitive and the only thing that changes is the smilie sequence

	27-08-2003 14:48									#55
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Mobius can flash his baps in faliraki any time

Ted still has the telescope up his arse

	27-08-2003 14:58									#56
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Didn't agree with the war in the first place because I was worried about what would happen after. Now we've done it the only thing we can do is stay and sort it out.

That said, my respect to the soldiers who are out there doing it, and my condolences to the families of those who've died. Whatever I think of the politicians they are still out there putting their lives at risk and I think they deserve our full support.

	27-08-2003 16:46									#57
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The numbers are pretty small, and they'll probably get smaller as the US brings in more cannon-fodder proxies.

	27-08-2003 17:13									#58
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I grew up eating Vietnam news for breakfast. There we had huge numbers of troops deployed and fighting, and we ended up losing almost 60,000 killed. We used free fire zones liberally by today' s standards, and had numerous air sorties and artillery fire missions every day. We had a draft army as opposed to today's all-volunteer force. We had combat troops on the ground from 1965 to about 1971.

In Iraq we are losing troops at a rate that will take us over 1000 in our third year there, assuming that the rate remains constant. We rarely if ever fire artillery, and very rarely use airstrikes. The civilian casualty rate for Iraq is miniscule in comparison to Viet Nam. Most of the resistance to our presence in Iraq comes from members of the former ruling class, and foreign jihadists. I suspect that there are plenty of Iraqis who have very good reasons for turning members of either group over to us. Certainly the majority of the population has no desire to see the Sunni Arabs back in power, and even some of the Sunni Arabs have no desire to see the Baathists return. That threat is becoming smaller every day. As for the Jihadists, they will become very unwelcome the more they kill Iraqis. So far they have killed more Iraqis than foreigners, and their track record seems to indicate that this trend will continue. I doubt that they will find themselves popular enough to count on local support.

The most distressing thing that I see in this whole occupation is that the Allies seem to be losing the information war. This is inexcusable. We should be the masters of this sort of warfare, and should be prepared to aggressively take over the airwaves to make our story and especially that of the ruling council the dominant one. The truth is always the first casualty in war, but it doesn't have to be one of ours.

	27-08-2003 18:03									#59
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quote: Originally posted by MOBIUS I put it to the hawks on this forum that this 'war' has actually encouraged terrorist attacks and is gradually turning Iraq into 'Al Qaeda Alley'...

Yep... I only wonder how they were dumb enough to fall for it. OBL must be jumping with joy - this is what he was trying to do with S11. Due to the US support of Israel and it's heavy handedness in the region he now has an endless supply of recruits and now a handy place to kill the infidels, which has been his plan all along. All he needs to do is destablilze the occupation so that the ordinary Iraqi sees the US as making things worse and he'll be on the road to winning. So far, so good.

I don't like him much, but when he said "America is much weaker than it appears", he was absolutely right.

	27-08-2003 18:05									#60
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quote: Originally posted by Ted Striker The answer to MY question is the answer that's been right in front of your face the whole time, and it is that the US and UK will stay however damn long it takes to rebuild the country and secure the peace.