28-08-2003 21:16									#31
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I don't even trust the news sources that I trust.

Especially regarding Iraq. Everybody in Iraq has an agenda, and you often receive contradictory information from equally trustworthy news sources.

About like reports of electricity outages. In one report they'll say that Baghdadis are getting about 12 hours of electricity. In another you'll hear of a Baghdadi complaining that the city hasn't had electricity for days. So you have to get out your shaker of salt...

	02-09-2003 02:28									#32
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Hmmm... been away from Poly too long I suppose. Thread dropped to the 6th page.

Anyways, USLAW confirmed what happened. Of course, they're no doubt in on this massive leftist conspiracy too.

	02-09-2003 03:28									#33
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This is just sickening.

	02-09-2003 04:59									#34
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There's probably some evident truth in this, but as usual it's blown up to balloonic proportions by the left, and ignored by the right.

	02-09-2003 11:45									#35
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US Labor Against the War... so unbiased .

Furthermore, labor union members arrested for sit-in protests? Where is the story here? You can't just have people sit-in and disrupt business like that.. it's called trespassing. You will get arrested in the US for doing the same.

	02-09-2003 21:34									#36
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What "business" is being disrupted, exactly?

quote: On this occasion they decided to step up the pressure on US authorities. In the time-honored tradition of workers from Mexico to the Philippines, they set up a planton, or a tent encampment, outside the council gates. US soldiers on guard ordered them to disperse, but the workers refused. Night fell. Then, at one in the morning the soldiers returned, arrested 21 protesters, and took them inside the compound, where they were held until the following morning.

I never said that the sources I'm citing are "unbiased" (whatever that means). "Mainstream" sources are biased also. Everyone has spin. Sorry, but bald assertions are no substitutes for refutations. Do you have any actual evidence that the various sources citing the story are lying?

	02-09-2003 21:52									#37
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Why on earth would mainstream media cover this folks? Does your average American care about labor rights anywhere? Even Iraq?

Mainstream media is biased, if only in a commercial, give the people what they wants a a little bit of what we think they mght need sense.

This whole sources arguement is pissing me off, so this is the relaity folks:

A political bias IS NOT A PROOF OF BEING UNTRUSTWORTHY..if that were so, every poster here on Poly who has shown a political bias could not be believed, period, given that they have a bias. The untrsutworthyness of a source is based on two thing which are INDEPENDENT OF a political opinion:
1. Reasearch methodology: who one goes about gathering information.
2. Annalysis. Now, this is where political opinion has a bearing, but far less than people here state: the question is, how unrealitic one's annalysis is, becuase when we get down to it, NO ANNALYSIS can be porven to be the objective, abslute truth. So the question is, what method of annalysis is used in deriving the statement.

Nw, a source can be biased totally, or partially. Lets tae the cause celebre, Faux News. Now, if I see a report oin fox saying "30 dead from flooding", I do not question that 30 are dead from flooding: fox has the resrouces to find that out, and that simple number is a fact. They have a conservative political bias yes, but that has nothing to do with whether 30 eople died. NOw, if the story goes "30 people die due to environmental regulations!", then I can question that, (not the 30 dead) but the annalysis given.

Which brings us back to this piece: can any of you ignoring the posts Ramo has given fault the facts of the story? Any of you at all? If not, then you can not continue t gnore the facts of the pieec simply becuase you may dslike the possible political bias of the annalysis. now, you may want to give your own annaysis of the data, but until somoene presents conflictinbg data from another source, that which Ramo has given is as validas if it came from, well, what source is ever 100% objective and the absolute truth????

	02-09-2003 22:04									#39
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Good point some might think. But Gepap, you're biased so you're wrong!

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Personally I dont like Labor Unions a whole lot. One if that often they take your dues and use them to give money to politians that you dont want to support. Also they have caused a huge mess in the State of California government and workers comp system. As for people of Iraq want to have union, I guess but when the economy is in the sewer, unions wont make the economy get out of the sewer. When you have 50% or more unemployment there is not a lot you can do etheir way.

	04-09-2003 07:02									#41
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A major issue of this union (what this protest was over) is to stop the US from using their oil to fund pork to US firms that treat Iraqi labor totally shitty, and even are bringing in foreign workers to minimize the bargaining ability of labor. If the Union of the Unemployed can successfully exert pressure on the occupation authorities to change their policies, that'd definitely make a large difference to the Iraqi economy in general, as well as to individual Iraqis employed in such businesses.