29-08-2003 19:44									#31
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HEY

Enough with the personal insults...
Stay on topic... stop all the crap...

	29-08-2003 20:00									#32
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Some people didn't seem to get the message...

If you want a flame war... take it to another site.

Stay on topic... Stop the crap... or get restricted.

LAST WARNING!

	29-08-2003 20:02									#33
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Damn, you beat me to it. I had a couple or three candidates who I figured needed a little time out in the sunshine this weekend.

	29-08-2003 20:04									#34
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NP... Feel free to nail anybody you want after this post.

Between the two of us... it should be like shooting fish in a barrel if people want to continue being stupid.

	29-08-2003 20:10									#35
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It's always like shooting fish in a barrel.

Just got to get you to learn that the most effective warning is that one they get when they try to post and can't. No "Gee, we must have cross-posted when I got in that last insult" whining then. Or maybe it's just my job to make everyone think you and rah are the "good cops."

	29-08-2003 20:12									#36
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I don't know if you have noticed, it is only you guys on this page and not exactly on topic after Ming's first warning.

	29-08-2003 20:14									#37
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You aren't able to see the posts that I deleted...

	29-08-2003 20:15									#38
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Sorry, I will shup now and go somewhere else.

	29-08-2003 20:20									#39
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Very said that a thread like this could degenerate so.

	29-08-2003 20:26									#40
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I don't know why people have to insult those who wish to remember the people who have died on 9/11.


So I guess I agree with Slowwhand somewhat.

	29-08-2003 20:29									#41
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When Ming and I joke around about banning people, it usually gets people's attention.

As far as the thread deteriorating, it is an emotional issue for some, and the transcripts have a mix of historical, investigative, personal and propaganda value.

	29-08-2003 20:33									#42
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People have a tendency to remember Good Things, and let the mind block bad memories.
Sometimes that's ok.
I just don't think this event should be far from anyone's mind; because it impacts, and will impact, the World on a daily basis.

	29-08-2003 20:38									#43
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"Are we going to rehash this every year, though?"

Yes. And that article WAS celebrating the lives of those who were lost - it was showing the courage they showed. The media is not forcing all of this stuff in our faces at all. In fact, the media has, so far, been remarkabl restrained. Get off of it.

	29-08-2003 20:51									#44
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I have muliple thoughs, concerns, as some of the emotions are dredged up again from that awful, terrible day. Even now I can feel the tears coming.

I don't want to hear the transcripts read to me (as happened this morning on NPR while I was still asleep. I don't want to read the words. The wound is still too fresh, too deep. I haven't healed yet.

I wonder how the PA call center workers got on with their lives, having talked to so many people who were about to die, and there was nothing they could do to help. Did they get counseling?

. . . I have to stop now or 'm going to start crying at work.

	29-08-2003 20:59									#45
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Slow loading. Let it. At home.
Have the speakers on.
If you want, you can pull it out of your Temporary Internet file.
Load it anytime, and faster.

http://www.gunstuff.com/america-attacked.html

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	29-08-2003 21:13									#46
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Okay . . .

I am disgusted and revolted by those who want to use the massacre, the attrocity, for their political agenda.

Oh yes, 9/11 is the reason we had to into Iraq, even though the plans were being drawn up even before the massacre. Meanwhile we pander to the perpetraters and funders of the attacks because we do business with them. But we should "never forget"

More than half of Americans think that the 9/11 attackers were Iraqis, though 15 were Saudis, led by a Saudi cleric, followers of an extremist Saudi varient of Islam, and funded with Saudi money. We should "never forget" but it's already gone down the memory hole. Quick, let's have no more talk of the Congressional Inquiry Report. Thank goodness for that blackout, down the memory hole.

Hey, we've done such a good job protecting America, let's have our convetion in the month of the massacre in the city where it hapened. We're honoring the fallen. Don't talk about how Homeland Security is underfunded. Don't mention that perpetrators are still at large in our "ally" Pakistan. Let's not talk about how we left Iraq's nuclear plants unguarded for weeks and only started doing so because locals were using barrels from the plant for water (and spilling radioactive material everywhere). How much has wound up in the hands of terrorists while we had our thumbs up our ass watching Iraq burn?

So whyare our troops dying overseas again? What was it we were supposed to never forget?

Those who would use this horror to further their own political ends are evil. Those who support them have no integrity. Those who don't care are just Good Germans.

	29-08-2003 21:20									#47
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Che, don't keep saying this.

"More than half of Americans think that the 9/11 attackers were Iraqis, "

It isn't true.

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	29-08-2003 21:22									#48
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara Okay . . . I am disgusted and revolted by those who want to use the massacre, the attrocity, for their political agenda. Oh yes, 9/11 is the reason we had to into Iraq, even though the plans were being drawn up even before the massacre. Meanwhile we pander to the perpetraters and funders of the attacks because we do business with them. But we should "never forget" More than half of Americans think that the 9/11 attackers were Iraqis, though 15 were Saudis, led by a Saudi cleric, followers of an extremist Saudi varient of Islam, and funded with Saudi money. We should "never forget" but it's already gone down the memory hole. Quick, let's have no more talk of the Congressional Inquiry Report. Thank goodness for that blackout, down the memory hole. Hey, we've done such a good job protecting America, let's have our convetion in the month of the massacre in the city where it hapened. We're honoring the fallen. Don't talk about how Homeland Security is underfunded. Don't mention that perpetrators are still at large in our "ally" Pakistan. Let's not talk about how we left Iraq's nuclear plants unguarded for weeks and only started doing so because locals were using barrels from the plant for water (and spilling radioactive material everywhere). How much has wound up in the hands of terrorists while we had our thumbs up our ass watching Iraq burn? So whyare our troops dying overseas again? What was it we were supposed to never forget? Those who would use this horror to further their own political ends are evil. Those who support them have no integrity. Those who don't care are just Good Germans.

Yea, and lets not talk about no hits on American soil since 9/11, or that we are daily routing and killing terrorists, or that we have taken the fight to them instead of here and protecting innocent American lives, lets not talk about a side effect of a better country for the Iraqi civilians or maybe a strong possiblity for freedom to grow in the ME, what we should really talk about is sitting on our thumbs, do nothing and wait for another major hit.

	29-08-2003 21:28									#49
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The FBI's #1 expert on al-Qaeda (O'Neil) was driven from his job by that bastard Freeh. Clinton appointed him to appease Congressional Republicans. Despite the warning signs, Freeh concentrated the FBI on drugs, and made O'Neil's job hell. Politics.

O'Neil was in charge of the invistagtion into the Cole boming, but was kicked out of the country by the Clinton appointed Ambassador because she wanted to be in charge. Getting credit was more important than getting the people who did it. Politics.

Connie Rice was told that their number one problem in the coming years would be Osama bin Laden and al-Qaeda. They ignored it. When the evidence started to become serious, they created a position to cooridinate counter-terrorism efforst, but then passed over O'Neil. O'Neil had ruffled to many feathers. Politics.

So he quit.


And took a job as cheif of security at the WTC.






He died on his first day at work.








Politics. "NEVER FORGET" both parties looked the other way and let this happen.

	29-08-2003 21:31									#50
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Che,
You have no agrument from me on why this happened. The question is what do we do from here and I believe the actions we have taken is the correct path, no matter how grim the task looks, I don't see any other alternatives that will work.

	29-08-2003 21:35									#51
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quote: Originally posted by Defiant what we should really talk about is sitting on our thumbs, do nothing and wait for another major hit.

Yes, because that's what we're really advocating, doing nothing.

Remember this, there weren't any major attacks on American soil before 9/11 either. I can lean up against a wall and say I'm guarding against elephants. The proof is there are no elephants here. Must be working.

Most state and local agencies are begging for the money they need to upgrade their ability to protect us. The Department of Homeland Security is underfunded and a chaotic bureaucratic mess.

By raising criticisms of what we haven't done, I'm really saynig we should be doing nothing. That's just an amazing deduction. Wow, you really got me. By pointing to the country and government that attacked us, I was advocating doing nothing.

You people really amaze me.

	29-08-2003 21:39									#52
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara Yes, because that's what we're really advocating, doing nothing. Remember this, there weren't any major attacks on American soil before 9/11 either. I can lean up against a wall and say I'm guarding against elephants. The proof is there are no elephants here. Must be working. How about the first attempt on the trade center?? Most state and local agencies are begging for the money they need to upgrade their ability to protect us. The Department of Homeland Security is underfunded and a chaotic bureaucratic mess. Everything is underfunded and someone always needs more money. By raising criticisms of what we haven't done, I'm really saynig we should be doing nothing. That's just an amazing deduction. Wow, you really got me. By pointing to the country and government that attacked us, I was advocating doing nothing. To take no action is an action. Where is your answers, I haven't seen any. You people really amaze me.

Back at you babe.

	29-08-2003 21:43									#53
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quote: Originally posted by Defiant Che, You have no agrument from me on why this happened. The question is what do we do from here and I believe the actions we have taken is the correct path, .

Do you approve of flying bin Laden's brothers out of the country the day after the attacks before the FBI had a chance to question them?

Do you approve of censoring the Congressional inquiry on 9/11, so that the American people cannot see what their leaders did or didn't do?

Do you approve of the government lying to the American people?

Do you approve of having no backup plan for running Iraq in case the people who made Plan A were clueless idiots?

Do you approve of letting the Saudis get away with funding the people who attacked us?

Do you approve of us pandering to Pakistan and letting the NWT be used a a based from which the Taliban and al-Qaeda can launch attacks into Afganistan?

Do you approve of the the fact that the Karzi government is nothing more than the government of Kabul?

Do you approve of the fact that the US left a nuclear power plant ungarded for weeks, when anyone could have walked off with radioactive materials?

Do you approve of not giving the states and cities enough money to do their security jobs?

Do you approve of not giving the DHS enough money to do its job?

	29-08-2003 21:45									#54
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There are more than enough threads about Iraq... and current day events, and America bashing...

Stick to the topic, and take your current day political agendas somewhere else

	29-08-2003 21:48									#55
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Speaking of which, why was my post deleted? I was the only one on the page who tried to stay on topic, and my post didn't have any personal insults.

	29-08-2003 21:51									#56
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Yours was just caught up in the sweep of all the trash that I deleted after my warning...

But it seems like seem people haven't gotten the message yet that they should stay on topic.

I see some restrictions if it keeps up.