30-08-2003 21:59									#31
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quote: What? You got to be kidding... "I didnt plan any crime!" "We know that. You planned a violent act anyways!" ? Basic logic anyone?

According to this, then if you think to yourself, "What if someone someone put a nuke on a plane and had it detonate when flying over DC? No one checks check on baggage." then this is planning a violent act.

When Tom Clancy writes about terrorists nuking America, that is planning a violent act.

With this law, police can now start arresting anyone for 'planning' a violent act. It needs to be abolished, because thought should never be a crime. There is quite a difference between thinking of doing something bad and actually doing it. With this law, all the kid did was imagine something and now he is in huge trouble for it.

Even if he actually planned to do something bad (which he didn't, he just wrote a story) then he still shouldn't be arrested. You shouldn't be arrested for something you haven't even done. Because what if the person was going to do it but then decided not to? What if the person was just writing a story like this kid?

	30-08-2003 22:05									#32
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people complain about bush

	30-08-2003 22:30									#33
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Resist!

	30-08-2003 22:48									#34
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No criminal intent... but if he goes to jail... he'll be a criminal. Hmm...

	30-08-2003 22:54									#35
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This is why I hate prosecutors, you give them an inch and they take a mile. I hope the judge laughs at this and tosses out the charges.

	30-08-2003 22:56									#36
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These kinds of laws are bullshit. They're the classic "preemptive" twist--"We arrested him before he could do it"--but how do you know he was going to do it in the first place?

This example is only more outrageous because it was just a creative story and not a literal plan.

	30-08-2003 22:58									#37
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Ok to search his house... but once they didn't find anything... it should have ended there.

Morons....

	30-08-2003 23:00									#38
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I agree with Ming on something!

	30-08-2003 23:14									#39
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on the issue, I think we can all agree:

pure stupidity.

	30-08-2003 23:26									#40
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I can think of a creative protest...

Start a contest to write some dark short stories in a celebration of Edgar Allan Poe.

Stick them with the dilemma, if writing this stuff is a crime now, why should we permit them to read Poe?

	30-08-2003 23:49									#41
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I agree that it wasn't a crime, but I have to say that the kid was pretty stupid to write that and not expect some kind of reaction in the event of it being found. Prosecutors aside, school administrators tend to get twitchy about that kind of thing.

	30-08-2003 23:57									#42
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I think we are all guilty of planning conspiracies against many countries . I mean how many threads we have had about for example making violence, 'if you were terrorist how would you' this and that. I mean those have more reason than this kids paper.. everyone log off, destroy your HD's, change your ISPs FAST!

Next week some crazy kid builds a real Susie Q out of my plans, and then I'll be all over news there .

Have to agree with Ming.. once no more evidence of conspiracies... let it go..

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	31-08-2003 00:11									#43
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quote: Originally posted by MrFun Well we also need new moderators to replace the old ones, but that ain't happening anytime soon either, is it??

You're still pissed off about them threatening to ban you, aren't you?

	31-08-2003 01:19									#44
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I plan to overthrow the government, I'm not in Gitmo yet.

	31-08-2003 01:28									#45
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okay, here's how you overthrow a government:

1) Get lots of kickass weapons
2) Kick lots of oppressive government official ass

I'm waiting to be detained, searched, and prosecuted now

	31-08-2003 01:31									#46
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quote: Originally posted by obiwan18 I can think of a creative protest... Start a contest to write some dark short stories in a celebration of Edgar Allan Poe. Stick them with the dilemma, if writing this stuff is a crime now, why should we permit them to read Poe?

maybe we should arrest Poe...

	31-08-2003 01:37									#47
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quote: Originally posted by mrmitchell okay, here's how you overthrow a government: 1) Get lots of kickass weapons 2) Kick lots of oppressive government official ass

	31-08-2003 02:42									#48
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[stupid policeman]
I am the thought police. I am here to keep you from thinking bad thoughts.
[/stupid policeman]

	31-08-2003 05:00									#49
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Blow it outcher a55, HStreet.

	31-08-2003 06:50									#50
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Speaking as a creative writer myself... I find this news story to be as bizarre as it is typical... the Artless Automatons that constitute the Government make no distinction between someone's literary imagination and a terrorist plot.
But that's what happens when you're the most powerful country in the world... paranoia sets in... you'd arrest your own ****ing shadow!
Take a cue from us Aussies and RELAX! She'll be right mate!
But seriously... let the kid write his stories in peace... if he was really making plans to shoot up a school he wouldn't be dumb enough to save the plans ON THE SCHOOL NETWORK!
Oh... and if you're so paranoid about people shooting guns and killing people, then maybe you shouldn't let any old bastard buy a gun? I'm all for the 1st amendment, but the 2nd amendment's a bit archaic, isn't it? I don't think you have all that much to fear from the King of England anymore!

	31-08-2003 06:52									#51
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Can I sue Dan Fogelburp for making my dad into a pvssy in the late 70's/early 80's? I mean, he didn't get a blowjob until he was 27, fer chrissakes.

	31-08-2003 06:54									#52
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gross

you actually know that info swithin?

	31-08-2003 07:02									#53
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He left me a letter. I don't think he'd ever tell me that kind of stuff out loud.

	31-08-2003 07:04									#54
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Man, why'd he tell you that? To mess with you?

	31-08-2003 07:07									#55
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No, to remind me where I came from.

	31-08-2003 07:08									#56
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He's paraphrasing a Denis Leary routine

	31-08-2003 07:10									#57
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oh

	31-08-2003 07:10									#58
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Yep, Bill Hicks - the greatest preacher who ever LIVED.

	31-08-2003 07:13									#59
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As much as I love Bill Hicks... it was Denis Leary

	31-08-2003 08:47									#60
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I love Denis Leary SOOOOOOO much more than Bill Hicks.

He's the coolest a55hole ever to walk the earth.