30-08-2003 21:48									#31
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hey ihr zwei, that's me!

	30-08-2003 21:50									#32
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welcome to the club than

	30-08-2003 21:50									#33
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yumminess

	30-08-2003 21:53									#34
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Gibt es im Breisgau einen Grund, Zyniker zu sein?

	30-08-2003 21:55									#35
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Oh wait, you mean what is MY greatest value, and not what do I value the most?

well,... I AM tall.

	30-08-2003 21:56									#36
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I AM on AIM

	30-08-2003 22:00									#37
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True wisdom has a negative effect on your worldview in the same sense that a lead slug has a negative effect on a lamed horse. It's a painful transition but you're better off without the old worldview in the long run. Sort of a growing pains thing. Of course, there is an infinite amount of wisdom in the universe to be gained, but a life of painful self-improvement might not be as bad as the alternatives.

	30-08-2003 22:01									#38
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As to the original question of the thread, for me, the word would be:



funny

	30-08-2003 22:06									#39
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@ ec
oh yes there are ... only a former romantic can be a true zynic as some guy said ... in reality its a cycle ... everything is a copy, is a copy, is a copy .... damn females ...

	30-08-2003 22:08									#40
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err, ock

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ock?

	30-08-2003 22:23									#42
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quote: Originally posted by DanielXY @ bebro Wisdom results in zynic behavior, which results in not caring about anything

Only for those who have given up

Edit: But seriously, I wouldn´t say that wisdom leads neccessarily to cynism at least not in every case

Edit2: evil spelling errors!

	30-08-2003 22:27									#43
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Looks at crotch

Probably idealism, sheer bloody mindedness, willpower.

	30-08-2003 22:31									#44
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Cynicism isn't wisdom. It's an impediment to wisdom, since it causes you to automatically assume that anything you are told is false until it is proven true by ludicrously rigorous testing, and therefore it's almost impossible for a cynic to learn or grow in any way. Wisdom is the realization, acceptance, and ability to deal with and use the truth in a mature fashion, not to grab what little you can and hide with it like a turtle in its shell.
I'm philosophical all of a sudden. A good mug of tea does that to ya, I guess.

	30-08-2003 22:32									#45
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Elok: Wisdom is something that isn't defined by saying that something isn't it.

	30-08-2003 22:45									#46
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No, but if you can't say definitively whether something is or is not wisdom, or any other quality you care to name, the word becomes nothing more than a vague description given to a not-necessarily-existent idea.
Like "cool," for instance. Are you cool? More importantly, does anyone care whether they're cool or not, seeing as we can't even agree on the exact nature of the trait? If you say, "you're pretty cool!" you're expressing some form of approval somehow, but for all the actual meaning conveyed you might as well have said, "you're pretty floggabooble!"
You see what I'm getting at? For practical purposes, if you cannot give a reasonably exact definition of a concept that concept might as well not exist. Which is why I say cynicism isn't wisdom. That in itself is not a definition of wisdom itself, any more than saying that "hungry" is not a verb is a definition of the word "hungry."

	30-08-2003 22:58									#47
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*turns off computer, and goes to watch some 'Friends' reruns*

	30-08-2003 23:01									#48
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Oh, I constantly grow out of cynicsm in being all idealistic and such ... its a 3 or hm actually 4 way cycle.
a) you are idealistic
b) you gain wisdom thrue experience and observation
c) you get cynic
d) you get tired of cynicsm and hope jumps in, reinforcing idealism, although you dont forget ...

cycle repeats...

Ok probably I got just some mental disorder or something, but since Im in status c) atm I dont give a damn (hm actually on the edge to d) I guess since I do a little...) ...

	30-08-2003 23:05									#49
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My visual IQ is 160.

	30-08-2003 23:06									#50
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ock = ok but ausgesprochen as a word not an abkürzung

	30-08-2003 23:20									#51
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I can think of two. I'm not sure if I can trim this to one:

Love God with all your heart, mind, soul and strength,

Love your neighbour as yourself.

	30-08-2003 23:44									#52
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bullshit obiwan, he's asking for YOUR qualities!!!

	31-08-2003 13:33									#53
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quote: Originally posted by Elok Cynicism isn't wisdom. It's an impediment to wisdom, since it causes you to automatically assume that anything you are told is false until it is proven true by ludicrously rigorous testing, and therefore it's almost impossible for a cynic to learn or grow in any way.

Firstly, that's not cynicism, that's skepticism. Secondly, that's not how skepticism works. Thirdly, skepticism is a defense against worthless mumble jumble.

quote: Originally posted by Elok Wisdom is the realization, acceptance, and ability to deal with and use the truth in a mature fashion, not to grab what little you can and hide with it like a turtle in its shell.

What is "truth?"

	31-08-2003 14:10									#54
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ich bin ein grosse Scheissekopf

danke Andz und DanielXYZ von Flyopen

	31-08-2003 14:15									#55
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Loyalty

and a single track mind (i guess thats both an adv and disadv)

	31-08-2003 14:15									#56
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lonn-donn

	31-08-2003 14:17									#57
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what the hell is lonn-donn?

	31-08-2003 17:40									#58
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quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger Firstly, that's not cynicism, that's skepticism. Secondly, that's not how skepticism works. Thirdly, skepticism is a defense against worthless mumble jumble. What is "truth?"

Whoops, I always get the two mixed up. I stand by my comments about the stupidity of blind *skepticism* though. If you have no reason to believe someone is lying to you or mistaken(which most people do not), you're wasting enormous amounts of time and energy.
And truth is the opposite of falsehood and foolishness. If you want a definition of everything it encompasses, well, I don't know it all and I don't think there's enough space on this server.

	31-08-2003 22:22									#59
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Ted, Andz will know..

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better than Lun-dun