09-09-2003 02:34									#31
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[quote] King of fighter series.

Great SNK game. [/quote

I this game ive got kof 95 on the saturn, great arcade conversion.

A ''King of the Hill'' game.

	09-09-2003 06:09									#32
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I thought AH released some of their old PC games like Kingmaker and 3rd Reich as freeware not that long ago? Oh well, maybe I'm wrong.

	09-09-2003 09:17									#33
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quote: Originally posted by Dale I thought AH released some of their old PC games like Kingmaker and 3rd Reich as freeware not that long ago? Oh well, maybe I'm wrong.

You may be correct... But the problem was the link... because not all games on that site are freeware

	09-09-2003 10:38									#34
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Kings and Things, a beer-and-pretzels boardgame.

Down with the King, an interesting game of court intrigue.

	09-09-2003 12:07									#35
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quote: Originally posted by Ming You may be correct... But the problem was the link... because not all games on that site are freeware

I know that bit, and links to the front page are a big no-no, but I thought maybe the direct link might be okay. Oh well, no biggy. No harm done.

	09-09-2003 17:29									#36
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Yeah, it's too bad that you can't always tell which ones are ok and those that aren't.

	09-09-2003 19:06									#37
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quote: Originally posted by Dale I know that bit, and links to the front page are a big no-no, but I thought maybe the direct link might be okay. Oh well, no biggy. No harm done.

And that's why all I did was kill the link and not add any of the usual extra "punishments"... I knew your intent was not to promote stealing software... but to offer up a way to get a game that probably is just freeware.

However... since the site is a no no... had to kill the link.

	09-09-2003 19:56									#38
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Are there any sites that distinguish between the two so it would be ok to discuss here?

	09-09-2003 20:16									#39
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All abandonware sites contain mostly games the copyright owners probably wouldn't care about. But not always, and therein lies the problem.

	09-09-2003 20:50									#40
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Plus, it's hard to actually get a developer to admit a product is abandonware, even if they don't list the software as their's and haven't patched or supported it in years. If it starts making a comeback all of a sudden it's a "classic title" and they start screaming for money.

	09-09-2003 21:03									#41
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And that's the problem with such sites. I have never heard of a site that truely only has "official" abandonware on it.

	09-09-2003 21:21									#42
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Too bad. It makes it tough for people that want to remain legit.

	09-09-2003 22:25									#43
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quote: Originally posted by rah Too bad. It makes it tough for people that want to remain legit.

I guess the only thing to do is come to a place like this, confirm that the particular game is in the public domain, and then search out the "grey area site" and DL. Doesnt seem like a big problem if youre only doing this occasionally for that rare public domain must-have title.

	09-09-2003 22:29									#44
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so does anyone know if AH did release 3rd reich and kingmaker into the public domain?

	09-09-2003 22:35									#45
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I don't think Alexander's Horse did for either of them.

	10-09-2003 09:45									#46
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quote: Originally posted by Ming And that's the problem with such sites. I have never heard of a site that truely only has "official" abandonware on it.

I think Underdog's policy is fine: if they receive a letter from a copyright holder asking them to stop a certain game from being offered, they will oblige.

So that pretty much means that the games they have for downloading is more or less legit.

Of course, some others sites are more, uh, rogue-ish.

	10-09-2003 13:41									#47
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Yes, I agree, one can infer that they don't care if the game is there, since it seems unlikely they would be unaware of such a key abandonware site.

	10-09-2003 17:17									#48
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quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger I think Underdog's policy is fine: if they receive a letter from a copyright holder asking them to stop a certain game from being offered, they will oblige.

Sounds pretty above board to me.

	10-09-2003 19:12									#49
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quote: Originally posted by rah Sounds pretty above board to me.

so if im the marketing guy at a game publisher, i have to search the net daily to see what sites have any of my titles available for dl ANYWHERE on the net, and i have to contact THEM. And i have to search for all titles i own. Including ones that may belong to a company ive bought, and im not even sure all the discontinued titles they had.

Why shouldnt the "abandonware" site have to contact ME, and ask for MY permission? Too hard? Cause i might simply not respond?

	10-09-2003 19:13									#50
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quote: Originally posted by DrSpike Yes, I agree, one can infer that they don't care if the game is there, since it seems unlikely they would be unaware of such a key abandonware site.

and if they in any way accepted that it was the publishers obligation to notify, then some other abandonware site could cite the precedent - then someone would have to define a "key" abandonware site.

	10-09-2003 19:14									#51
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quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger So that pretty much means that the games they have for downloading is more or less legit.

While I agree with you in theory... Legally, it's not legit.

And since that is the case, we don't allow links to that site.

	10-09-2003 20:56									#52
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quote: Originally posted by lord of the mark so if im the marketing guy at a game publisher, i have to search the net daily to see what sites have any of my titles available for dl ANYWHERE on the net, and i have to contact THEM.

Yes and no. Big sites such as the Underdogs are well known to game publishers, and they probably would try to attempt to proactively acquire permission as well.

And you cannot stop all the firesharing out there anyway, regardless whether you search the Net daily. Your best bet is to deal with the big sites squarely.

quote: Originally posted by lord of the mark Why shouldnt the "abandonware" site have to contact ME, and ask for MY permission? Too hard? Cause i might simply not respond?

It is often a tricky business to track down who currently holds rights to what.

	10-09-2003 22:36									#53
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quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger Yes and no. Big sites such as the Underdogs are well known to game publishers, and they probably would try to attempt to proactively acquire permission as well. And you cannot stop all the firesharing out there anyway, regardless whether you search the Net daily. Your best bet is to deal with the big sites squarely.

Ah Jeez, I hate agreeing with UR. Stop it LOTM!

	11-09-2003 00:49									#54
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quote: Originally posted by DrSpike Ah Jeez, I hate agreeing with UR. Stop it LOTM!

Im not sure you're wrong, just think its not all that clearcut. And that the Poly policy ( ) is therefore justified.

	11-09-2003 01:08									#55
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This discussion seems to come from time to time here in other games. I have my thoughts of this issue, but as long as Poly has a policy that we can't change(you know, anti-democracy), why bother bringing it up?

	11-09-2003 02:27									#56
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quote: Originally posted by lord of the mark Im not sure you're wrong, just think its not all that clearcut. And that the Poly policy ( ) is therefore justified.

You are right it is not clear cut, and the policy is perfectly reasonable. I haven't said I disagreed with it.

However, I do think the site in question provides a good service without infringing anyone's rights.

	11-09-2003 17:24									#57
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quote: Originally posted by Nikolai (you know, anti-democracy),

Yep.

	14-09-2003 14:43									#58
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Who cares? Just get the game from other abandonware sites

There are much bigger ones than HotUD! But I better not give those links out

	15-09-2003 00:42									#59
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quote: Originally posted by Sn00py But I better not give those links out

YUP.

	15-09-2003 00:57									#60
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quote: And you cannot stop all the firesharing

Firesharing? Did you read your own message?

Ming, why didnt you restrict him?