09-09-2003 02:47									#31
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I'd like to establish a religious movement.

	09-09-2003 03:24									#32
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I was thinking along similar lines, Tassadar -- something Buddhist-ish, a dash of Zen, a healthy amount of Hive nihilism, and some New-Age-ish seasonings. Stir until well mixed, serves the glory of the Hive.

Or something like that. Want to team up?

	09-09-2003 04:20									#33
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I think Tassadar will probably be more interested in something moralist christian-like.

Anyway, I was actually thinking of some Hindu-Buddhist-Taoist mix with a touch of Nietzsche as well.

	09-09-2003 07:11									#34
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HinBudhTao Max - The state preferred religion of the Chironian generation.

	09-09-2003 08:05									#35
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Tsk Tsk Tsk

Religion?! Marx is rolling in his grave as we speak. No good communist promotes religion.

	09-09-2003 09:15									#36
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Sounds good, Maniac. Voltaire: Who says we're communist? Sure, we will be if the right people gain power, and all will praise the worker's movement and our glorious forefather Karl Marx. But the Hive can be played many ways... I'm partial to something that emulates nature myself. Then there's the religious angle (Fundamentalist rather than Police State). And there's always naked power politics.

Really, there are as many ways to play the Hive as there are Hive players. But one thing's for certain -- to survive, the faction members had better be willing to publically emulate the ideology on top.

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	09-09-2003 09:19									#37
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Religion is the ampthemine of the masses

Does that quote work?

	09-09-2003 13:19									#38
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quote: Originally posted by AdamTG02 Actually, I think we can work elections with the Hive fairly well. Simply assume that everyone in the DG is on the Hive's Central Committee, or whatever we want to call it -- whatever Yang (and now Voltaire) is the Chairman of.

Beat me to it. I've always seen DGs as effectively having all the players as part of the political elite, otherwise you'd have to wonder why practically nobody is actually voting... and in the case of the Hive, it would be whatever you want to call the Central Committee. Maybe we could have three stages of power - the Central Committee (everyone), then the Politburo (the ministers/directors/whatever), then the Chairman (the game player).

Also, I like a lot of the ideas for the military coup stuff, though there's too much for me to read all of it and properly process it right now. I'll have to come back later and go through it more slowly before I can make any specific comments.

	09-09-2003 13:22									#39
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And just regarding the original thread subject - yes, political parties should definitely make a comeback, and hopefully the nature of our faction will put a stop to the incessant economics debates (FM is useless and Green loses a lot of it's advantages, so Planned is undoubtedly the best choice), thus aloowing us to find something more interesting to discuss.

	09-09-2003 15:10									#40
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quote: Originally posted by Lemmy Alright then, the SSK is coming back....soon

SSK? Wasn't it The Science Axis or something you had?

quote: Originally posted by Voltaire I agree with what Maniac and AdamTG02 have said, it seems to be an effective way of simulating a communist totalitarian environment. Not to imply that the Hive is totalitarian in any way, just ask its current members, we're a nice little socialist paradise.

Who says the hive will be Socialist? Police State is the ideal, not Planned.

quote: Originally posted by Maniac Anyway, I was actually thinking of some Hindu-Buddhist-Taoist mix with a touch of Nietzsche as well.

I already bagged the Free Nihilist Party Will have details posted when they're finished Imagine a utilitarian cross between Nietzsche and Sartre, with just a dash of evilness

	09-09-2003 15:22									#41
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quote: Originally posted by Drogue SSK? Wasn't it The Science Axis or something you had?

Sub-faction for Science and Knowledge, I think it was... although it did either change from or change to The Scientific Axis.

	09-09-2003 19:22									#42
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GT has it right, later it was changed to The Scientific Axis...coincidentally when Bush started with the Axis of Evil thing

quote: Imagine a utilitarian cross between Nietzsche and Sartre, with just a dash of evilness

Hmm, evilness you say...maybe we should work together

	09-09-2003 19:35									#43
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My thoughts exactly As one party or as an alliance? I had tried to join TSA but it was closed by then

As for a name, I thought of the Free Nihilist Party since Free Nihilism was Nietzsche's idea that the world has no purpose and no overall order, but that it made you free in your actions and will. However with this party, the free is ironic, and I'd follow Sartre's Existentialist ideas that life is gratuitous (hence the easy evil opportunities) and has no purpose, but that there was determinism. That goes with Yang's quotes of not uselessly hindering ourselves because of petty emotional foibles, like peopel who complain of the use of undead in the military, or that cannibalism is 'morally wrong' Also goes with the push for more knowledge, regardless of the ethicalness. However we will obviously need a Finn on board, for that added evil bonus

	09-09-2003 22:35									#44
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I'm sure there's enough existentialism to go around.

Maybe our factions will end up working together, given our common Nietzschean roots. I'd like to try something that incorporates some Eastern religions, though -- mixing them with Western existentialism seems the best way to fit them into the Hive. So, Maniac, it sounds like we're a team if you're stil willing.

	09-09-2003 22:40									#45
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What I've heard sounds good.

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quote: So, Maniac, it sounds like we're a team if you're stil willing.

By "we", do you mean us two, or us two and Drogue? If you mean Drogue, I have a few reservations.
First, since we're probably going with a one party system, the word "society" would be more fitting.
Second, I disagree with the word "nihilist". Nihilism says the universe has no purpose. That's way too depressing and pessimistic IMO. I would rather say the purpose of the universe is the universe itself. The end result is the same, namely that our lives don't have some "higher" meaning, but I still consider my way of saying it more optimistic, and leading to a totally different view on life.

	10-09-2003 03:02									#46
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Yes, and I'm more into evilness and less into religion with regards for this. I think he meant you and him. I like Nihilism, it seems very Hive-esque, and is used on some of Yang's quotes

	10-09-2003 03:50									#47
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But I think Orthodox BuddhaJesus has nice ring to it.

	10-09-2003 07:55									#48
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I was thinking the two of us, Maniac. I said our faction (or society or whatever) might cooperate with Drogue's if the need arose. Not that that should indicate more than my personal impression.

I really should learn to write more clearly, ...

Anyway, I like the ideas that have been bruited around so far. A diverse covert society seems to be taking shape.

	10-09-2003 09:41									#49
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How about having an "evil" party, a religious party, and a party that is all about the gov't? Let's have parties that are almost comically overdone...

	10-09-2003 09:46									#50
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And the tragically hip and cool party.

	10-09-2003 13:55									#51
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quote: Originally posted by Vander How about having an "evil" party...

We already have that

Let's just see what parties people start, and then see which survive.

	10-09-2003 17:31									#52
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It might be a party of fishermen

	11-09-2003 03:46									#53
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quote: I think Tassadar will probably be more interested in something moralist christian-like.

You silly CyConian, I'm a buddhist IRL

quote: Or something like that. Want to team up?

Sure

quote: No good communist promotes religion.

*Causes a level 2 Earthquake in The Hive*

	11-09-2003 05:56									#54
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Excellent. Maniac and Tassadar, it sounds like we are three, if that's all right with you both.

	11-09-2003 06:27									#55
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quote: Originally posted by Vev And the tragically hip and cool party.

Now that sounds like a silly and fun party

	11-09-2003 09:16									#56
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quote: Originally posted by Makahlua Now that sounds like a silly and fun party

	11-09-2003 12:57									#57
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And, of course, I'm going to be a hardline atheist promoting the banning of everything even vaguely smacking of religion...

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	11-09-2003 14:23									#58
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quote: Originally posted by GeneralTacticus And, of course, I'm going to be a hardline atheist promoting the baning of everything even vaguely smacking of religion...

And I shall join you in that belief. Though obviously because Religion promotes the idea of doing good What a silly notion, surely eveyone knows that the correct way is through evildoing

	13-09-2003 04:13									#59
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My religion does not promote the idea of doing good. It's good to do good but can you all live on Planet as goody-two-shoes? It's fun to be evil, and I allow fun in my kingdom

	13-09-2003 04:25									#60
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Anyone be willing to fill me in on what this is about? Looks pretty interesting...