11-09-2003 20:18									#31
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Since "The Brights" suck as a name, What about the "enlightened" ? Nah, pretentious.
Well, the "illuminati" ? Mystical, it sucks.
Could we consider the "Lights" ? Erm, somthing is still lacking.

The lightbulbs ! Now that's a name !

	11-09-2003 20:23									#32
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quote: A Bright is a person who has a naturalistic worldview. This umbrella term includes humanists, sceptics, rationalists, atheists, agnostics, and anyone else who is free of reliance upon the supernatural for motivation or explanations.

If that is indeed the definition, then it seems to me the name should be something like "Naturalists."

By the way, it sure as hell sounds like an agnostic/atheist only club, given that last sentence.

-Arrian

	11-09-2003 20:24									#33
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	11-09-2003 20:26									#34
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I am naturalistic, but I won't belong to a group that attempts to claim themselves as an internet occult...

Organized religion is not for me, nor is a political interest group based off of one; IMO claiming lack of religion is similar to claiming to be a religion...

	11-09-2003 20:26									#35
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quote: Originally posted by Arrian By the way, it sure as hell sounds like an agnostic/atheist only club, given that last sentence.

I think it may welcome those who believe in dereliction* too.

*dereliction is the idea that God had some role in the past, and may be behind the creation of the universe, but that he has left since.

	11-09-2003 20:30									#36
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What about those people like me who are broadly sceptical. I have to laugh at people who forgo religion for science and then treat science like a religion, which is what "brights" seem to do IMHO. In New Zealand we have a "sceptics" society who go around debunking spoon benders and congratulating themselves on how rational they are. Unfortunately, they aren't sceptical enough for me.

Science does not "explain" things in the same way that religion does (not that I am religious: far from it); scientific theories are underdetermined and hence to a large degree a pragmatic matter. It's useful for enabling us to predict and manipulate events, but that's about it.

	11-09-2003 20:30									#37
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I didn't know there was an actual term for that. Thanks, Spiff

I agree with Japher, btw - the views attributed to this group seem to match up with mine reasonably well (it is pretty broad), but I've no desire to join such a group.

-Arrian

	11-09-2003 20:47									#38
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quote: Originally posted by SlowwHand You're going to Hell, Boshko. Adios, mother****er.

So are you, and you are going there first

	11-09-2003 20:49									#39
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quote: Originally posted by Spiffor I think it may welcome those who believe in dereliction* too. *dereliction is the idea that God had some role in the past, and may be behind the creation of the universe, but that he has left since.

I thought the term is Deism.

	11-09-2003 20:57									#40
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quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger I thought the term is Deism.

That's different. In the view of the deists God just starts the universe as one would a clock and leaves. There is no implication that this is a terrible thing as there is in the dereliction view.

	11-09-2003 21:04									#41
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Quotes from the-brights.net:

Persons under this umbrella term tend to self-identify by varied labels, among them humanist, agnostic, atheist, skeptic, rationalist, freethinker, secular humanist, Unitarian, secular Jew, igtheist, objectivist, ethical culturist, or perhaps apatheist (uninterested in religion).

Among these Brights are physicians (many!), a Nobel Laureate, numerous professors and other academics, some celebrities (e.g., Penn & Teller), *a Presbyterian Minister, Secular Jews, Unitarians*, a Yogaist, a stealth politician (USA), a member of the European parliament, a couple of ex-Mormons, a bunch of teens, and some really well-seasoned folks (85+).

Emphasis added.

	11-09-2003 21:51									#42
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quote: a stealth politician (USA)

I call oxymoron.

-Arrian