04-10-2003 07:52									#91
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* Ben Kenobi questions the Jewish credentials of El Awrence.

How can we trust such a man in the Knesset?

quote: This is a typical liberal ploy

Make up your mind. Are we liberals or conservatives?

	04-10-2003 07:52									#92
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I think he's maybe referring to the first exile, after the neo-Babylonians destroyed the first temple.

Nevertheless, Emu is largely correct, theologically speaking. If we wish to be a rightist war mongers, we must find another cause.

	04-10-2003 08:12									#93
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	04-10-2003 10:18									#94
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quote: Why else would you spend all this time at our thread?

It's like a car accident. The spectacle cannot be ignored.

	04-10-2003 20:08									#95
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quote: Originally posted by PinkyGen I don't think the complaint is that we are insulting each other in "character", but that they are essentially coming over to our thread, and thus into party headquarters, to "badmouth" us.

You read my mind

	04-10-2003 20:46									#96
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quote: Originally posted by EmuGod Judaism's attitude to those who do not understand it (pagans, Christians etc.) is one of indifference. We don't care if they believe in God or judaism or not. It does not matter. Secondly, Judaism is not a religion based on blind faith but rather on the doing of mitzvot. Thirdly, during the Roman exile the Talmud was written in Babylon (500 CE) and Jews were doing rather well there.

That is not entirely true. Maimonides said that there were two types of war that a Jewish nation could engage in that the government could legally, according to the Torah, impose universal conscription, a war to defend the country (even with pre-emptive strikes), or to expand the territory at the expense of Gentiles. He also said that if the inhabitants of the city were monotheistic, that the army could not require them to convert to Judaism but must simply stop at making that city part of the Jewish nation (this is the part that applies to Muslims and Christians alone). However, if the people were not montheistic, they must either convert, or be killed.

Also, I am assuming this is just a mistake, you mixed up the Babylonian exile and the Roman exile.

	04-10-2003 21:49									#97
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quote: Originally posted by H Tower They live here as well, what gives us the right to take what they have?

hi ,

stealing from a thief your own goods back , ........


have a nice day


panag bribes a nomad to take a shot at ht , ......

his increasingly revolting attitude is a danger to our state and party , .......

	04-10-2003 23:25									#98
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quote: Originally posted by conmcb25 See See, I told you he was a closet conservative!!!!!!!!

remember when we talked about my quoting problem? It's time to talk about yours

	04-10-2003 23:29									#99
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quote: Originally posted by panag hi , stealing from a thief your own goods back , ........ have a nice day

prove that. If you abandon a territory and someone else moves in, that is NOT stealing.

quote: panag bribes a nomad to take a shot at ht , ...... his increasingly revolting attitude is a danger to our state and party , .......

I officially request the leader of the One Israel Party censure this member based upon the grounds that his attempts at violence against a fellow Jew would throw our nation into complete dissarray. Strong words and heated arguement is one thing, attempted assasination is a completely different thing

	04-10-2003 23:33									#100
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quote: Originally posted by POTUS That is not entirely true. Maimonides said that there were two types of war that a Jewish nation could engage in that the government could legally, according to the Torah, impose universal conscription, a war to defend the country (even with pre-emptive strikes), or to expand the territory at the expense of Gentiles. He also said that if the inhabitants of the city were monotheistic, that the army could not require them to convert to Judaism but must simply stop at making that city part of the Jewish nation (this is the part that applies to Muslims and Christians alone). However, if the people were not montheistic, they must either convert, or be killed. Also, I am assuming this is just a mistake, you mixed up the Babylonian exile and the Roman exile.

Ah, but Maimonides was a Rishon and therefore cannot go against an Amora, one of the rabbis from the Talmudic generation. I actually have read the section about the Jews returning to Israel and there is a disagreement about it. however, both sides in the Talmud agree that there can be no crusades of any sort and impose other restrictions on the Jewish return to Israel.

	05-10-2003 01:51									#101
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quote: Originally posted by H Tower I officially request the leader of the One Israel Party censure this member based upon the grounds that his attempts at violence against a fellow Jew would throw our nation into complete dissarray. Strong words and heated arguement is one thing, attempted assasination is a completely different thing

If both of you cannot play nicely, I am going to ask that this thread be used only for official party purposes, as some like Arthedrain already suggested. I am allowing these comments because it adds flavor to the game. But if it goes to far, and feelings get hurt, it would be best to shut this down.

	05-10-2003 01:54									#102
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So it's my fault he jumps on my back for a comment I made to someone who laughed it off?

And it's my fault that he talks of having me killed off?

	05-10-2003 02:14									#103
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Very well.

1. Panag is formally censured for publicly calling for the killing of the leader of an opposition party.

2. I hereby formally request that the Harmony Party censure Htower for rudely and harshly belittling Panag's speaking style and in doing so in a fashion that did not address the point of Panag's post.

http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...45&pagenumber=2

To make it clear, I do not approve of death threats, though I do not see how Panag could conceivibly bump your character off. However, I also disapprove of the way you handled it before petitioning One Israel for the censure.

Now I will kindly ask both of you to lay off one another. If you wish to debate, fine, but I would ask you two to be respectful, since it seems both of you are taking these things personally.

This whole thing has gotten a lot worse than just calling someone a "dirty hippie." If I see more name-calling continue not as a joke, but as actual mean-natured discourse, I will request that this thread be used for party purposes.

	05-10-2003 07:22									#104
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I feel I ought to comment, since the thread involves a post directed at me.

Am I not called a charlatan and a quack? Yet, I understand the spirit in which the post was made, so that I laughed off the comment.

The same with HTower, he attempted to poke fun in the structure of the insult, by mimicking the style.

I doubt that he seriously intended to compare the honourable citizen with Hitler.

Panag, at no point bantered with one of the other members, and seems to not understand the spirit of the exchange, whereas HTower has been present all the way throughout.

Now, if you ask us to censure members for posts made in jest, then all of us ought to be censured, since many of us have made similar remarks insulting the other party.

Since your link fails to present the exchange.


El Awrence: 02-10-2003 21:10

quote: Ben Kenobi
"Any scripture to defend your position, or is this just your opinion. Remember, my character is a seer."

"You, sir, are a charlatan and a quack!"


H Tower 02-10-2003 23:38

"You sir, are no better than Hitler"


El Awrence 02-10-2003 23:42

*SHOCK*



Since El Awrence, the object of the attack does not object, neither does the Harmony Party censor HTower.

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	05-10-2003 07:52									#105
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quote: Originally posted by EmuGod Ah, but Maimonides was a Rishon and therefore cannot go against an Amora, one of the rabbis from the Talmudic generation. I actually have read the section about the Jews returning to Israel and there is a disagreement about it. however, both sides in the Talmud agree that there can be no crusades of any sort and impose other restrictions on the Jewish return to Israel.

Yes, however, the Torah, the root of all the Talmudic laws, and Maimonidies, states that in the invaision and occupation of "The Land of Milk and Honey" all men who do not believe in G-d and follow the Torah must be killed. However, if they choose they must be permitted to convert or leave the Promised Land. Later commentators toned this down. However, the Torah is the law and must be followed, even if others disagree. There is simply no exception.

	05-10-2003 09:15									#106
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Just to make it clear, I am not referring to anything you Ben Konobi said, or to the Hitler comment. I'm referring to the post in regards to Panag's speaking style, and am currently talking to Htower on AIM about it.

	05-10-2003 09:20									#107
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What constitutes the "Land of Milk and Honey?"

All of the Middle East?

	05-10-2003 09:27									#108
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isn't that a lot like the Fertile Crescent? (Spreads from Gaza over to the twin rivers in Iraq)

	05-10-2003 09:51									#109
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Land of Milk and Honey is biblical Israel, aka Canaan. It comes from God's promise to lead the Israelites to a land of milk and honey

	05-10-2003 09:53									#110
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I've talked the issue out with Htower on AIM, and he assured me the post was not meant maliciously. Though the leader of Harmony has a much mistaken political philosphy, I still consider the man honorable, and thus believe his word.

Request for Harmony censure is removed, and I consider the matter closed.

	05-10-2003 10:04									#111
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quote: Originally posted by PinkyGen Though the leader of Harmony has a much mistaken political philosphy, I still consider the man honorable, and thus believe his word.

Mistaken only by your own narrow beliefs and pigheadedness. Speaking of which, I saw you eating pig the other day in the cafeteria

	05-10-2003 10:17									#112
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Lies, lies, Goyim manufactured lies!!!! And to think I called you honorable.

	05-10-2003 10:20									#113
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Wasn't it you who said you believed the words coming out of my mouth?

	05-10-2003 10:22									#114
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i was trying to encourage us getting along, but friendly bantering is illegal

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	05-10-2003 10:36									#115
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quote: Originally posted by conmcb25 Darn it guys! From now on every jab, snide comment,, etc had better be in jest. Poking fun at one another IN CHARACTER is part of the game. I like all you guys a lot. But if this continues to get out of hand Im OUT of this DEMO game. I have asked or mentioned several times in a couple different threads that I hope we are all not meaning this stuff or taking this stuff seriously. Lets take this to heart and not let this get out of hand! Thanks!

As I pointed out a case in the election thread of a One Israel party member flying off the handle, here is another. An even keel will set Israel straight, and the Harmony Party will provide that to the people.


DISCLAIMER: This post was made completely in jest and was not meant to inflame, insult or demean any poster in any way shape or form

	05-10-2003 20:29									#116
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quote: Originally posted by POTUS Yes, however, the Torah, the root of all the Talmudic laws, and Maimonidies, states that in the invaision and occupation of "The Land of Milk and Honey" all men who do not believe in G-d and follow the Torah must be killed. However, if they choose they must be permitted to convert or leave the Promised Land. Later commentators toned this down. However, the Torah is the law and must be followed, even if others disagree. There is simply no exception.

You are trying to put together things that do not go together. What you are talking about only applied in biblical Times when the Israelites first entered Canaan.

	05-10-2003 22:56									#117
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quote: Originally posted by H Tower prove that. If you abandon a territory and someone else moves in, that is NOT stealing. I officially request the leader of the One Israel Party censure this member based upon the grounds that his attempts at violence against a fellow Jew would throw our nation into complete dissarray. Strong words and heated arguement is one thing, attempted assasination is a completely different thing

history , facts , and treaties signed in the years right after WWII , .......

if anyone should be censored , then it should be you for calling someone hitler , ......



panag wonders what takes the nomad so long , ......


panag hires a ruthless Druze , just in case , ...... >>>

	05-10-2003 23:05									#118
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quote: Originally posted by PinkyGen Very well. 1. Panag is formally censured for publicly calling for the killing of the leader of an opposition party. 2. I hereby formally request that the Harmony Party censure Htower for rudely and harshly belittling Panag's speaking style and in doing so in a fashion that did not address the point of Panag's post. http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...45&pagenumber=2 To make it clear, I do not approve of death threats, though I do not see how Panag could conceivibly bump your character off. However, I also disapprove of the way you handled it before petitioning One Israel for the censure. Now I will kindly ask both of you to lay off one another. If you wish to debate, fine, but I would ask you two to be respectful, since it seems both of you are taking these things personally. This whole thing has gotten a lot worse than just calling someone a "dirty hippie." If I see more name-calling continue not as a joke, but as actual mean-natured discourse, I will request that this thread be used for party purposes.

hi ,

death threats , who me , .......

, thats just to kill the flies that buzz around someones head , .......

there is only one offensive thing in all of this , calling someone hitler who does not deserve it , or who has not said anything whatsoever that justifies this , ......

especially in this game its rather sensitive and its just unfit to say that to a fellow citizen , ......

such a thing was not meant as a joke and it should not be posted , wheter its a joke or not , calling someone a hitler can lead to jail terms in some parts of this planet (!)


second point ( rather small observation ) maybe people who dont belong to the party to whom the party thread belongs should not post inthere unless asked ( invited ) to do so , .....

>( well what ya say about this )

have a nice day

	05-10-2003 23:09									#119
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quote: Originally posted by panag second point ( rather small observation ) maybe people who dont belong to the party to whom the party thread belongs should not post inthere unless asked ( invited ) to do so , ..... >( well what ya say about this ) have a nice day

Agreed, since numerous party members have now requested it. The party thread is now for party purposes. I know how much Harmony liked coming over to feel the warm glow of our offensive mindset, but alas this must end.

	05-10-2003 23:12									#120
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One additonal thing.. Everyone in the party must vote!!!! We have six members, and if we do not get at least six votes on the election thread, it would be most embarrassing.