20-09-2003 15:27									#31
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the 3rd and fourth cities are already planned and after some turns they will be built.

Having the map of the surrounding land we have to decide where should we place the second ring of cities.

	20-09-2003 18:45									#32
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If it was me, I would go to B.

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	20-09-2003 22:06									#33
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Looking at the map, I hate to see all those productive mountain and hill tiles go permenately unused. (Very inefficent)

City A really needs shifts NE
And city A prime needs added formed on the grassland shield to use the whale and all those skipped mountain & hill tiles

City B is not water connected (diagnal doesn't count) and should be shifted so save the cost of an aqequduct. (NW looks best because it elimates another competely used tile)

Cities C, D, and E look excelent to me.

	20-09-2003 22:19									#34
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EDIT: better yet, let me draw that out for ya! I'm not sure wether Z or Y would be better - we lose a plains square at Y, but pick up the whale.

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	20-09-2003 23:39									#35
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quote: Originally posted by joncnunn City B is not water connected (diagnal doesn't count) and should be shifted so save the cost of an aqequduct.

Actually diagonal does count unless the mapmakers deleted the river on it. A, B and E should not require Aquaducts. Where you moved B to deletes a Hill which is far more important for that location given that all those Floodplains will never be able to produce shields.

Moving A NE sacrifices a Whale, a grassland and a mountain to pick up a fish and a mountain.

I prefer the Whale over the Fish and the extra grassland to boot.

	21-09-2003 00:20									#36
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quote: Originally posted by GhengisFarb Actually diagonal does count unless the mapmakers deleted the river on it.

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	21-09-2003 02:48									#37
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I had city A prime to get the Whale that moving A NE would lose.
(with A prime located on same spot as second map places Y)

quote: Originally posted by GhengisFarb Actually diagonal does count unless the mapmakers deleted the river on it. A, B and E should not require Aquaducts. Where you moved B to deletes a Hill which is far more important for that location given that all those Floodplains will never be able to produce shields. Moving A NE sacrifices a Whale, a grassland and a mountain to pick up a fish and a mountain. I prefer the Whale over the Fish and the extra grassland to boot.

	21-09-2003 02:51									#38
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On the second map, Z is badly located, would cause a reduction in potiential shields for Y.

I also see no need for 50% defensive bonsus that far inside natural borders.

So I think from the second map B should be moved NE and Z eliminated.

	21-09-2003 03:57									#39
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Thing is, joncnunn, we're at the same time trying for the RCP, with cities spaced only a distance of 4.5 or 4 from the capital, so they all get the same corruption - effectively the corruption of the closest city to the capital. Z satisfies that, whereas both your SW moved A and NE moved B do not - we'd only get two cities at distance 4 for the forseeable future.

	21-09-2003 07:43									#40
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I only think rcp gives an advantatage on huge maps, we don't have a lot of land and optimal site choices to do rcp in our start position in my opinion.

	22-09-2003 17:24									#41
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I think spots A, Y and B look to be the best IMHO.

	22-09-2003 20:44									#42
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I concur with GF. Lack of land dictates some minor shifts.

I think we're all in agreement about cities C, D, & E.

	23-09-2003 03:11									#43
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quote: Originally posted by Asmodeus I think spots A, Y and B look to be the best IMHO.

Which A, Y, and B?

	23-09-2003 08:04									#44
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Although I have not voted for Y in the poll, it looks fine as well as long as we still settle A and Z (Y will not be very large anyway for some time to come).

B I would prefer to shift one S or SE so we can get that Wheat tile - E will have two others and a cow - more than enough.