17-09-2003 00:09									#121
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Not to start a problem, but the South should never have been able to advance the Cause as long as they did.
Not really.

And when 2 things occurred, the South was doomed.

1) Jackson being shot by his own side.
2) Lee's insisting on fighting at Gettysburg.

Yeah, yeah Michael.
I know. You don't agree on point 2.
Tough!

hoot,hoot!

	17-09-2003 00:11									#122
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I rented Gods and Generals long and rather boring, but good none-the-less... I just wonder if Jackson really quoted the bible and prayed as much as they made him do in the movie...

	17-09-2003 00:19									#123
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All I read concur with that point.

And btw, Blockbuster viewers rank that movie a solid "B".

	17-09-2003 00:20									#124
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More. They toned it down so that Jackson didn't seem quite so fanatic.

A couple of true stories about Jackson:

After the first battle of Winchester in the '62 Valley Campaign, his official report in it's entirety: "God granted our arms victory this day at Winchester."

Also, on Sundays, he was fond of touring around different brigade camps in his Corps to see how the men's religious services were, and occasionally he attended some. In reality, most of his boys were good ol' boys, so they'd much rather gamble. So they drew lots and detailed a few of their number to go to services, along with the small minority of naturally religious folks, and they detailed a few more to act as lookouts in case Jackson came along.

If they spotted old Jack coming toward camp, the lookouts would signal, the troops would cover up the games and skedaddle over to Sunday services. Jackson would come by, be impressed by the reverence of the men under his command, and would then usually head off, whereupon the men went back to gambling. They hated it on those occasions he'd decide to stick around.



And Slowwy, it wasn't Lee's decision to fight at Gettysburg, it was Heth's lack of ability to control Archer and Davis.

Besides, with the Yankees controlling the road junction and the ANV dispersed for foraging, where would you have had Lee go? Michigan?

	17-09-2003 00:25									#125
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Washington.

	17-09-2003 00:30									#126
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Well, I'll just rent Gettysburgh and decide this one once and for all!!!

	17-09-2003 00:39									#127
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I get the feeling that many OTers have the same person as me on ignore (there's only one). This guy won't concede a point even when you provide full screen video proving yours.

	17-09-2003 00:48									#128
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Do you read me, Agathon ?
Agathon!

Damnit!

	17-09-2003 00:53									#129
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quote: Originally posted by SlowwHand Washington.

the most heavily fortified city in the world? There's a reason Lee never did that.

	17-09-2003 00:54									#130
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quote: Originally posted by SlowwHand Do you read me, Agathon ? Agathon! Damnit!

Of course. I don't really dislike anyone here except for the aforementioned poster. He gets ignored for just being obtuse to the point of idiocy.

Sure we may all disagree on politics and flame the hell out of each other, but that doesn't mean we are all bad people.

I can't believe I'm not on Berzerker's ignore list.

	17-09-2003 00:57									#131
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You guys have Berzerker all wrong.

He's almost as full of **** as I am. Not quite, but close.

I did try to put Ming on Ignore one time when he made me mad.
When I couldn't I was real mad.

	17-09-2003 01:00									#132
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quote: Originally posted by SlowwHand Washington.

To get to Washington, Lee would have had to get through that little road junction in that little town called, uh, what was that name? Oh! I remember, it was called "Gettysburg."

Then just a couple days march down the Baltimore Pike, you know, that same road the Yankee XII, V and VI Corps marched up.

	17-09-2003 01:02									#133
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quote: Originally posted by SlowwHand You guys have Berzerker all wrong. He's almost as full of **** as I am. Not quite, but close.

His politics I find rather strange, but he seems a decent enough guy to me.

	17-09-2003 01:03									#134
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But it wouldn't have been taking high ground.
Jackass.





(don't hit me, don't hit me)

	17-09-2003 01:03									#135
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quote: Originally posted by Agathon I get the feeling that many OTers have the same person as me on ignore (there's only one). This guy won't concede a point even when you provide full screen video proving yours.

But Glonkies not that bad.

Oh, wait: he's worse. When he doesn't like the way the arguments going, he starts taking pot shots at family members. :loser:

	17-09-2003 01:13									#136
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quote: Originally posted by SlowwHand But it wouldn't have been taking high ground. Jackass. (don't hit me, don't hit me)

Well, unless you get to the high ground first, which could and should have been done if Ewell was a Corps commander and Early wasn't late, then you don't have to take it. But if you delay and it's in your path, well then you do.

Harry Hays' Louisiana Tigers got up to Cemetery Hill on the 1st, but they were not at all properly supported. Doles' Georgians were ordered to sit in place for over two hours, and they could have taken Culps Hill, or set up a blocking position between the remnants of the Yankee I Corps and Cemetery Hill.

The problem wasn't the high ground, it was the wasted opportunity.

	17-09-2003 01:13									#137
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quote: Originally posted by JohnT But Glonkies not that bad.

It's not him. I get too much pleasure from winding him up.

quote: Oh, wait: he's worse. When he doesn't like the way the arguments going, he starts taking pot shots at family members. :loser:

That was definitely out of order and should have merited a ban.

	17-09-2003 01:15									#138
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quote: Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat Where's the President of the United States from? How about the majority leader of the Senate? Speaker of the House of Representatives? Now does that refresh your memory as to who got their asses kicked?

IIRC, the Bush family is originally from New Jersey, right?

	17-09-2003 01:26									#139
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Please be specific about who is on your ignore list. And why. I'm sure the moderators would appreciate this discussion.

	17-09-2003 01:38									#140
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Yeah - especially because we can't put anyone on our ignore lists no matter how much we want to.

	17-09-2003 01:50									#141
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Damn, where's Ming?

	17-09-2003 01:51									#142
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The mods can put me on their ignore list. I wouldn't mind. Muwahahaha!

	17-09-2003 02:01									#143
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Maybe it's that once in a year thing when he leaves his computer and takes the missus out.

	17-09-2003 02:04									#144
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I'm here, and I can provide just as efficient "customer service" if you should so desire?

	17-09-2003 02:05									#145
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Not your wife's day today then?

	17-09-2003 02:06									#146
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quote: everyone has been ignoring me since November 2000

Not all of us.

	17-09-2003 02:15									#147
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quote: Originally posted by Agathon I get the feeling that many OTers have the same person as me on ignore (there's only one). This guy won't concede a point even when you provide full screen video proving yours.

Sava?

	17-09-2003 02:23									#148
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Fez?

	17-09-2003 02:25									#149
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Fez has far to much comedic value to ever be put on ignore.

	17-09-2003 02:27									#150
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True dat.