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MichaeltheGreat
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mooning the house that Ruth built.
Oct 1999
time: 21:30
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Oh, where shall I begin....
1) I own the company, so I won't be likely to outsource myself.... 
2) My software development work is in a specialty field where I've done lots of end user work so I have a better understanding of the end user's business requirements than anyone that could be hired off the street.
3) I've spent ten years doing the general system and software architecture and waiting for the hardware and communications infrastructure to be useful.
4) I have several component technologies that are patentable.
5) I've had senior people in the target industry and related fields look at partial demos and agree that my product is several years ahead of any potential competitor on it's data acquisition side, and that there is no competing alternative on the commercial operations side.
6) And there's more stuff beyond that, but not for public consumption. In fact, there's some stuff not even for private discussion under an NDA until the IP lawyers have done their thing.
7) If all else fails, I could fall back on a bunch of different IT positions at or close to CIO/CTO level, plus the occasional soliticitations I get in the energy field. In fact, if I was willing to relocate, there's a ton of stuff people have thrown at me.
And besides, Steverino the gas pumper and I go way back, so you're butting in on a little private jive talking. 
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Apolyton Prince of Moderators, Master of Reason
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Lord of the Ferrets
Jan 1970
time: 23:30
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Good article. It's nice that some other people are also starting to see some of the possible shortcomings.
especially........
"One reason for that is the American workers' comfort level with speaking up and offering suggestions. "A good American programmer will push back and say, What you're asking for doesn't make sense, you idiot," Zupnick says. "Indian programmers have been known to say, This doesn't make sense, but this is the way the client wants it." Thus, work takes more time and money to complete. And a project that's common sense for a U.S. worker—like creating an automation system for consumer credit cards—may be a foreign concept offshore. Additionally, offshore vendors often lack developer experience (the average experience of offshore developers is six years)."
BINGO
A perfect example is some of the support work I do on projects. Since I'm a director, my billing rate is quite high. When I proposed transitioning some of my responsibilities on certain projects to lower rate programmers on my staff, the people in charge of those projects declined because they felt that in the long run, my skill and experience with the projects actually saved them money.
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Gatekeeper
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United States of America
Feb 2000
time: 23:30
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Outsourcing is simply one of the trends that globalization and trans-national corporations are making more obvious.
This pattern will not change as long as there are parts of the planet where companies can go to get cheap labor, fewer environmental/health/work regulations and whatnot. For example, the article had a Bulgarian firm that touted its IT employees make, at most, $300 a month. You figure for a U.S.-based IT employee, the minimum would be $1200. That's a difference of $900; rather substantial, isn't it?
Apply this to other industries and, insofar as I'm concerned, the United States, Europe, et al., simply can't compete. Then, on top of cheap wages, throw in the fact that many other these other nations have weaker workplace and environmental regulations ... heck, if I were an unscrupulous businessman, I'd certainly make use of the cheaper resources.
All in all, it's hard for "First World" nations — with their higher labor costs and workplace/environmental rules — to compete with nations that have no such concerns. Either way, business wins and the worker/consumer pays a certain price.
Gatekeeper
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Lawrence of Arabia
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of the Gulag Archipelago
Apr 2001
time: 06:30
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quote:
Outsourcing is simply one of the trends that globalization and trans-national corporations are making more obvious.
This pattern will not change as long as there are parts of the planet where companies can go to get cheap labor, fewer environmental/health/work regulations and whatnot. For example, the article had a Bulgarian firm that touted its IT employees make, at most, $300 a month. You figure for a U.S.-based IT employee, the minimum would be $1200. That's a difference of $900; rather substantial, isn't it?
Apply this to other industries and, insofar as I'm concerned, the United States, Europe, et al., simply can't compete. Then, on top of cheap wages, throw in the fact that many other these other nations have weaker workplace and environmental regulations ... heck, if I were an unscrupulous businessman, I'd certainly make use of the cheaper resources.
All in all, it's hard for "First World" nations — with their higher labor costs and workplace/environmental rules — to compete with nations that have no such concerns. Either way, business wins and the worker/consumer pays a certain price.
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And that my friends, is entirely correct. Which is why if you want to be sure to keep your job, move into the services sector. These jobs are never outsourced, because some just cant be (like tourism, (tour guides and ****)), other needs high levels of education and financial insitutes to function (banks and bankers, investment firms, stockmarkets etc)
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18-09-2003 06:51
+ overtime 
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