22-09-2003 00:58									#31
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damn, i so would have played

	22-09-2003 01:35									#32
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Alright...I guess since Oerdin sent orders to EiF that he's the GM...I'd like to be first on the replacement list

	22-09-2003 01:42									#33
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OK - here goes.

My country picks are T - F - E - I - G - A - R

My email is groucho_poly at hotmail dot com

I've got no clue as to the effect of the Fleet Rome variant. But in the spirit of Diplomacy my vote is available to whomever can convince me of the merit of their position.

	22-09-2003 12:08									#34
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Ok, I'm not familiar with Fleet Rome but sounds like internal affairs to me(Italy) and as a sovereing country we won't tolerate any other state to dictate about our fleet positions. So our answer to what ever that variant is, NO.

As for the order preferences. It's all the same for me since I don't know what would be the optimum order for my people.

I'm not taking this too seriously, am I?

Last edited by laurentius on 22-09-2003 at 14:40

	22-09-2003 12:13									#35
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Oh yeah the e-mails should go to:
lauri.w.hella@helsinki.fi

NO SPAM, or i'll kill you

Last edited by laurentius on 22-09-2003 at 12:20

	22-09-2003 14:26									#36
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I thought we were playing a standard game? Fleet Rome is a varient.

	22-09-2003 14:26									#37
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BTW The rest of you need to e0mail your preferences o EiF.

	22-09-2003 14:43									#38
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Ok, I checked what the fleet-o-rome is and after having a strategic meeting with my senior officers we decided to go for it. So..

Fleet of Rome? Yes

R - E - I - F - T - G - A

Last edited by laurentius on 22-09-2003 at 14:55

	22-09-2003 18:45									#39
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quote: R - E - I - F - T - G - A

Italy doesn't look as good after looking at the map, eh?

	22-09-2003 21:09									#40
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Italy's big problem is it's surrounded by other powers and has little room to expand.

BTW people. Submite your prefrences that way EiF can match players with countries and then we can start the negotiating.

	22-09-2003 23:06									#41
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Hey, I thought you guys were green!

FLEET OF ROME! FLEET OF ROME!

	22-09-2003 23:55									#42
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Fleet Rome Usually means Austria takes over Italy early in the game. One army just isn't enough to keep the Hun out.

	23-09-2003 01:29									#43
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My only problem with Standard Diplomacy is Italy only having one fleet, which makes the Italian player have to attack Austria at some stage and only allows Italy one easy build in the first year (Greece/Tunis). The lack of a second fleet means Italy usually loses control of the Ionian Sea to claim Tunis and therefore loses its grip in the Mediterranean.

The lack of a second fleet means Italy can only claim one of Tunis or Greece in the first year and would have to attack Austria for a second build with Trieste. This makes Italian openings very boring and predictable. Austria rarely trusts Italy and an Austro-Italian alliance against Turkey is quite hard to pull off with Italy’s fleet usually stuck in Tunis and Austria’s fleet stuck in some horrible dead end. This leaves Italy in a stalemate with Austria and with Mediterranean a stalemate with Turkey. No wonder Italy hardly ever wins.

	23-09-2003 01:37									#44
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quote: Hey, I thought you guys were green!

	23-09-2003 02:06									#45
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Alright - I've listened to your reasoned arguments and I've decided to ... abstain from the Fleet Rome vote.

With that kind of decisive action, you guys have no hope!

	23-09-2003 02:08									#46
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Which means Fleet Rome wins 3-2.

	23-09-2003 09:33									#47
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So, where does this take us - is the game afoot?

	23-09-2003 09:52									#48
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Game has started check the other thread.

	27-09-2003 05:26									#49
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BTW I'm assuming today is the deadline for orders? Is Friday of each week the choosen day?

	27-09-2003 06:08									#50
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Fleet Rome sucks. Austria can easily take Trieste unless Italy makes one set of moves, which does not at all guarantee Tunis OR Greece.

	27-09-2003 06:09									#51
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If you want a variant on Italy, go with Milan/Fleet Rome combo. That's a sound one if you don't want predictable Italian openings...but it does make both Italy and Austria MUCH stronger...

	29-09-2003 12:03									#52
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So how do you build new armies in this game? Too bad there aint no howitzers or fusion planet busters available

	29-09-2003 13:18									#53
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To build new armies you have to occupy/own new supply centers at the end of the fall move then during the winter build phase you get to build new units in your open home centers.

	29-09-2003 13:41									#54
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Ok, thanks Oerd

PS, look's like our strategy's working

Last edited by laurentius on 29-09-2003 at 13:53

	29-09-2003 18:36									#55
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quote: PS, look's like our strategy's working

What might that be?

	29-09-2003 21:23									#56
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yeah, or do we even have one?