30-09-2003 09:26									#31
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quote: Originally posted by spy14 The last Spitfire was the MK24... top speed 460 mph at around 20,000 ft and in a lengthened dive it would approach the speed of sound. A B2 sortie would never be flying low enough in enemy territory for the dive to occur, and in a level chase the Spit would almost certainly have to turn and refuel before it was able to catch the B2. Which is a shame because the idea of shooting down the B2 with 60 year old technology is great

But of course the Spitfire wouldn't necessarily be engaging the B-2 from a tailchase perspective. If the B-2 is spotted early enough the Spitfire can be scrambled and put on an intercept course that will result in a head on interception.

The altitude is still a problem but hey (to seriously stretch reality), maybe the pilot could point a shoulder launched SAM out of the Spit, that would enable the plane to hit targets for another 10,000 feet.

	30-09-2003 19:31									#32
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Scene 1:

A group of Axe Wielding Warriors are chilling on a mountain steppe.

Scene 2:

A tank rumbles along the mountain pass.

Scene 3:

Warriors see tank. They make a rockslide. Tank is crushed under tons of rock and eath.

The End.

	30-09-2003 19:38									#33
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It COULD happen in real life. Anything is possible!

	30-09-2003 19:44									#34
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quote: Originally posted by Elias Helicopter shot down by an Iraqi farmer? Isnt that want sadam said to the people to keep them from thinking they were being slaughterd?Anyways a low flying helicopter could be shot down by a macine gun but not by a musket or a stone ax.The people in saving privat ryan had wepons and training of the time they did not have axes.

Rambo could do it with something he found in the desert or woods.

	01-10-2003 02:36									#35
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quote: Originally posted by Defcon5 But of course the Spitfire wouldn't necessarily be engaging the B-2 from a tailchase perspective. If the B-2 is spotted early enough the Spitfire can be scrambled and put on an intercept course that will result in a head on interception. The altitude is still a problem but hey (to seriously stretch reality), maybe the pilot could point a shoulder launched SAM out of the Spit, that would enable the plane to hit targets for another 10,000 feet.

I love the SAM idea... to bad the pilot would likely get fried by the missile leaving the launcher. As for the head on/ side intercept, a B2 has Infra Red sensors and an LPI radar, so the Spit would be spotted coming in miles before it see's the B2 and would still be forced into the tail chase. Which as I said before, is a crying shame

	01-10-2003 03:32									#36
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Maby the B-2 was lowering altitude to approach a target the spitfire was coming for the b-2 head on and nobody in the B-2 thought that there was an enemy plane left so no one was watching the infa Red the bomber is shot down.

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	02-10-2003 13:41									#38
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quote: Originally posted by georges bonbon Maybe we should consider the warrior or whatever obsolete unit that kills modern war-technology, as a clone of Arnold Schwarzenegger or Sylvester Stallone.

More of this! Why are single warriors like the DOOM guy or so not considered in CIV?

	03-10-2003 02:12									#39
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Act 1: A B-2 flies lazily over the sea.

Act 2: A Destroyer visually identifies the B-2 then radios the B-2's heading to a carrier 100 miles away.

Act 3: B-2 flies straight towards the carrier.

Act 4: Carrier scrambles Spitfires.

Act 5: Spitfire intercepts the B-2 head-on.

Act 6: Spitfire shoots up the B-2's cockpit with hundreds of bullets in a game of Chicken.

Act 6 (alternate): Spitfire does a kamikaze run right at the B-2, a'la Japanese Style. Both turn into burning wrecks.

Act 7: B-2's bombing target lives.

THE END.

	03-10-2003 03:11									#40
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quote: Originally posted by Sovereign Scene 1: A group of Axe Wielding Warriors are chilling on a mountain steppe. Scene 2: A tank rumbles along the mountain pass. Scene 3: Warriors see tank. They make a rockslide. Tank is crushed under tons of rock and eath. The End.

Go the low tech....

	04-10-2003 14:31									#41
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Sovereign, that B-2 wouldn't be discovered in the first place.

	04-10-2003 18:14									#42
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Ecthelion, have you seen "Black Hawk Down"...?

I know it is not about B2's....!

	04-10-2003 19:52									#43
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quote: Originally posted by Sovereign Act 1: A B-2 flies lazily over the sea. Act 2: A Destroyer visually identifies the B-2 then radios the B-2's heading to a carrier 100 miles away. Act 3: B-2 flies straight towards the carrier. Act 4: Carrier scrambles Spitfires. Act 5: Spitfire intercepts the B-2 head-on. Act 6: Spitfire shoots up the B-2's cockpit with hundreds of bullets in a game of Chicken. Act 6 (alternate): Spitfire does a kamikaze run right at the B-2, a'la Japanese Style. Both turn into burning wrecks. Act 7: B-2's bombing target lives. THE END.

The B2 would see the Spits on radar or IR. Carriers carried Seafires, not Spitfires, but thats just me being really, really pedantic

	04-10-2003 23:20									#44
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Yes, I have seen Black Hawk Down. What's the connection?

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quote: Originally posted by Ecthelion Sovereign, that B-2 wouldn't be discovered in the first place.

Visual and audible detection can still occur. And, of course, if there's a breach of security (as happened with a F-117 stealth fighter over Yugo) and the enemy forces are alerted in advance to your flight path they can pick it up on radar.

	05-10-2003 03:03									#46
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Well, one was shot down (OK, not B2 but F117, similar thing) during the 1999 Yugoslav campaign

	13-10-2003 07:42									#47
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How many stealth aircraft have we lost altoghther? I cant think of any others. they need to do lots of things with battles. I would like to see a similar unit systym from rise of nations where certin units are better aginst other certin units.This would add much realisim and allow many new units to be put into the game.(excues my terrible spelling)

	13-10-2003 08:24									#48
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quote: Originally posted by Elias How many stealth aircraft have we lost altoghther?

The only combat loss anounced to the public was the F-117 over Yugo, which was reportedly shot down by a Soviet built SA-6 SAM.

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FYI: The US has (understandably) been quite secretive about stealth operations. During the Yugo War the European allies had to keep their aircraft 50 miles from the B-2 when it was operating in the theatre.

	13-10-2003 11:55									#50
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quote: Originally posted by Ecthelion Yes, I have seen Black Hawk Down. What's the connection?

ahhh well memory needed..... ummm I believe that my point was to do with how in this day and age of high tech, even the Yankee Elite Rangers, the Elite Ghost Chopper Pilots and the Super Elite Delta were taken out very badly with low tech violence and ancient tactics.

So I believe that a seafire could get a B2 in the right circumstances.... even if he had to kamikaze himself into the B2's inductors....

	15-10-2003 03:25									#51
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quote: Originally posted by Paddy the Scot even the Yankee Elite Rangers, the Elite Ghost Chopper Pilots and the Super Elite Delta were taken out very badly with low tech violence and ancient tactics.

I wouldn't call the Somalis' tacticts ancient; it was modern small-arms urban combat (similar to what we're seeing in Iraq now).

	15-10-2003 20:22									#52
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quote: Originally posted by Defcon5 I wouldn't call the Somalis' tacticts ancient; it was modern small-arms urban combat (similar to what we're seeing in Iraq now).

well said..! Thanks

	15-10-2003 21:25									#53
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Theres still a disparancy though - the U.S lost 18 soldiers in the Somalia incident, estimates of Somalis dead are put at around a thousand. I always took equal hit points in the game to mean equal numbers of troops.

	16-10-2003 02:36									#54
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quote: Originally posted by Defcon5 I wouldn't call the Somalis' tacticts ancient; it was modern small-arms urban combat (similar to what we're seeing in Iraq now).

well said, point taken....

	16-10-2003 14:47									#55
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Its a game, if stelath bombers also had a defence, they would be virtualy invunerable

	18-10-2003 20:44									#56
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quote: Originally posted by TheStinger Its a game, if stelath bombers also had a defence, they would be virtualy invunerable

True. Guess thats one reason why the American UU is the F-15 and not the F-22.

	24-10-2003 08:06									#57
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They need to do a lot with air combat but I wish it was the F-22 I would always be the U.S and destroy everyone with hundreds of F-22 that is what the real world will be like in a few years.

	24-10-2003 11:33									#58
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hahahahahaha

then along came John.....

good luck with the F22.... sheeeeet, our Gov has even collected a few old bottles, traded them in and sent the voucher to the Generals at Arlington Farms.

	03-11-2003 10:56									#59
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quote: Originally posted by Paddy the Scot hahahahahaha then along came John..... good luck with the F22.... sheeeeet, our Gov has even collected a few old bottles, traded them in and sent the voucher to the Generals at Arlington Farms.

I'm confused Sheeeeet? what is this supposed to mean there are no Generals at Arlingon Farmes if there were what would the world be like? We probably wouldent have gotted far into Iraq? Please explain!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!
(that is a lot of !'s)

	03-11-2003 13:02									#60
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quote: Originally posted by Elias I'm confused Sheeeeet? what is this supposed to mean there are no Generals at Arlingon Farmes if there were what would the world be like? We probably wouldent have gotted far into Iraq? Please explain!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!! (that is a lot of !'s)

I believe that the Pentagon was built at Arlington Farms.