25-09-2003 07:48									#31
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The American Revolution by Gordon S. Wood. An O.K. Chrionicle off the period, at least it encompasses more than just the battles, and goes on to fill in details about the politics. I grow weary of the Modern Library Chronicle books though, make me feel like a kid.

The Black Book of Communism: This book is damn big, but good. It's the last of my present readings on Communism (It follows the works of R. Pipes, The Gulag Archipelligo and of course Solidarity: The Polish Revolution by Timothy G. Ash [was essential to my AP Euro Exam last year])

Look Away: A History of the Confederate States of America by William C. Davis. An Excellent book which I would reccomend for anyone interested in the Civil War. Focuses on the Politics and the infighting that destroyed the C.S.A. rather than the war.

All of those, in addition to The Glass Bead Game and The Once and Future King*, I have a huuuge stack of History Books that I jhave to read later, by the way. These are just my current ones.


*-Not my Choice, assigned by my English Teacher.

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India: A Mosaic, edited by Robert Silvers and Barbara Epstein. Looks at partition, the growth of religious separatism in Indian politics, women's rights and literature, and nuclear proliferation in the Indian sub-continent.

Clash of East and West: The Rise and Fall of Empires

Daisy More and John Bowman. Deals with the rise of the Iranian/Persian empires (and touches briefly on the beginnings of civilization on the Iranian plateau, and precursors of the Iranians, such as the Medes) and with the rise to glory of Imperial Greece, looking at the development of the city states, Theban, Spartan and Athenian ascendancies, and the difference in political outlooks between the Iranian culture and the Greek culture.

Ancient Civilizations: Great Empires at their Heights

Timothy R. Roberts

Rounds up the usual suspects, albeit with an emphasis on the Mediterranean/Fertile Crescent, and investigates what causes a great empire to collapse- in the case of Assyria, alienating all your neighbours doesn't bode well for longevity.

First Things First: A Connoisseur's Companion to Breakfast

Ralph Pomeroy

The most important meal of the day, and frequently the least regarded, the most hurried. A survey of who ate what when, and who eats what and where, now.
For instance: Elizabeth Woodville (queen of Edward IV) at 6.00 a.m. on May 10th 1451 breakfasted on overboiled buttock of beef and ale turned a little stale. She reminded herself to address the cook over the former, and to meet the second fault herself, by tapping a new barrel.

In Tudor times, breakfast for a workman could consist of bread (made from a mixture of oat and rye) salted or pickled herrings, cold cuts of meat, pottage, a soup or stew, cheese and ale. Usually eaten at 6.00 or 7.00 a.m.

Tasty.

	25-09-2003 07:58									#33
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Well, if alternate history counts, I'm reading Harry Turtledove's Worldwar series right now.

	25-09-2003 08:15									#34
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Well, I haven't been reading it too much lately, because of law school reading and such:

The New Bill James Historical Baseball Abstract by Bill James

What? That's history .

	25-09-2003 08:16									#35
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quote: Originally posted by SKILORD Look Away: A History of the Confederate States of America by William C. Davis. An Excellent book which I would reccomend for anyone interested in the Civil War. Focuses on the Politics and the infighting that destroyed the C.S.A. rather than the war.

I own that book as part of my personal library.

	25-09-2003 14:19									#36
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Samuel Rosenberg "American Economic Development since 1945"

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I ordered HOTW and GGS

	25-09-2003 14:29									#38
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Samuel Huntington's 'The Clash of Civilizations'

	25-09-2003 14:39									#39
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You'll find it's only of average intellectual quality anyway, and flawed in its logic, especially concerning China...

	25-09-2003 14:46									#40
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It's logic is NOT flawed, though it's prediction of events is. But so far, events have been happening according to his logic, more or less.

	25-09-2003 14:47									#41
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Heh, apparently you haven't been at the point with Chinese influence in SE Asia. It IS flawed.

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quote: Heh, apparently you haven't been at the point with Chinese influence in SE Asia. It IS flawed.

I didn't find it flawed. Has been a while since I read it, however, so I may forgetting things.

	25-09-2003 14:52									#44
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How exactly do ethnic Chinese businesspeople in SE Asia help the RED Chinese state expand into that area?

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I don't think he claimed the Chinese state would be spreading into Southeast Asia, apart from islands in the South China Sea like the Spratleys and the Paracels. He claimed Chinese influence would spread, with the countries in the region increasingly looking toward Beijing for leadership. Having ethnic Chinese in dominant positions in many of these countries would certainly help spread Chinese influence. It's already happening.

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No, because the Chinese state is not primarily market-oriented. Those businesspeople are basically in exile, so they're probably not supporting the state. And why should they look to the PRC for leadership?

There's just no proper connection between all those things. He's a dreamer. And then look into his predictions for Europe. Ukraine splitting and all, Greece kicked out of the EU, what a nonsense. It's an interesting read, but not very clever, sort of popular science even.

Stop claiming otherwise.

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They're not in exile. Ethinic chinese communities predate the PRC, by far.

From personal knowledge, his writing on Ukraine is NOT bullshit, and there are forces pulling Ukraine apart. But since Russia is apparently choosing to be close with Europe, those forces are minimal. Had Russia chosen a different path, things would've played out in a very different manner.

	25-09-2003 15:03									#48
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quote: No, because the Chinese state is not primarily market-oriented.

It's becoming more and more market-oriented every day.

quote: Those businesspeople are basically in exile, so they're probably not supporting the state. And why should they look to the PRC for leadership?

I think you'd be surprised at the dynamic between the overseas Chinese community and the PRC. Strangely friendly.

As for why the countries would look to China for leadership, just remember that China has been the hegemon and central state in Asia for most of history. A return to Chinese leadership would be a return to the historical status quo.

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I'm reading General Patton A Soldier's Life by Stanley P. Hirshson. It's ok, and I'm enjoying reading about Patton again as I haven't been reading much WW2 stuff recently.

I just got back from Portland where I visited my sister and her family and paid a visit to Powell's books. I picked up about 6 books of French history (Richelieu, Louis XIII era mostly), and a few odds and ends. I must say that trying to buy history books is a difficult task. Once you get beyond the typical output (for instance, French history begins with Louis XIV and ends with Napolean, and most of French history took place during the revolution if you go by what is published) it gets very hard to find anything interesting much less germain to your own vector of study. I used to live in a university town which had a great library, but unfortunately I live in a university town whose libraries absolutely suck. It's an embarassment to the state that the U of C library is such a complete wasteland. So now I rely on what I can buy mostly, which is haphazard at best.

	25-09-2003 15:05									#50
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What about the historical staus quo in Central Europe? It's not projected at all.

Greece out of the EU?

	25-09-2003 15:06									#51
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Look at the bright side, Sikander. At least the books at your library are in a language you can read...

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quote: Greece out of the EU?

Did he say Greece would leave the EU? I remember him talking about tension between the two, but I don't remember him predicting Greece's removal.

I don't know why you guys let them in anyway, to be honest. You won't let Turkey in and I really can't see the difference between the two.

	25-09-2003 15:30									#53
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Turkey is full of Arabs and camels, Greece isn't.

	25-09-2003 15:32									#54
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Greece is full of half-Turks and goats. Not much better, IMO.

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They do produce goat cheese after all. And fumigated!

	25-09-2003 17:52									#56
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Oh wow, he was wrong in the case of Greece! that makes his entire book void!

	25-09-2003 17:55									#57
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and China and Ukraine

	25-09-2003 17:59									#58
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He's not wrong about China, yet. It'll take a long time to see if he was right or not.

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So he was wrong. He can only be right if it happens now.

Same for Ukraine.

And he didn't predict the precise date for 9-11 either.

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quote: And he didn't predict the precise date for 9-11 either.

Yes he did. Translate Chapter 7 with the Bible Code and you'll find it.

Chiamateur.