26-09-2003 14:46									#31
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In this case, wouldn't Unitarian Universalism be the best one?

	26-09-2003 15:14									#32
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quote: So if I melt your idol, I melt God?

god is omnipotent, but isn't heat-resistant.

	26-09-2003 17:17									#33
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Your faith is the one true faith !

	26-09-2003 17:42									#34
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True religion should be about self-improvement in the mental, emotional and if you like, spiritual sense. It shouldn't revolve around 'redeeming' the 'souls' of the 'heathen swine' around you.

An individual's 'salvation', 'redemption' or 'enlightment' is entirely up to them. While you can satisfy their curiosity and offer a small degree of friendly guidance if they ask it, ultimately, it is up to them to find their spiritual path. Whether that be under the wing of a 'god', 'gods' or any other type of 'supreme', omnipotent being; through quiet contemplation and meditation; or through secular pursuits, it is their decision, and their's alone.

To this end, I believe that there is no one true 'one-size-fits-all' type of faith. I am a Buddhist myself, but I made peace with the devout of all other religious (or anti-religious) belief systems. I find Buddhism to be the true faith for myself. I just acknowledge that it isn't that way for others, save for the like-minded individuals I might meet in my lifetime.

	26-09-2003 18:35									#35
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quote: Originally posted by Ben Kenobi As for the one true church, the only one that can meet that claim (among the Christian churches), is the Catholic church.

(ahem!)

	26-09-2003 18:38									#36
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Yes, Elok?

How can my church be the true church if it has only been around for 500 years?

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	26-09-2003 18:48									#37
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quote: Originally posted by Ben Kenobi Yes, Elok? How can my church be the true church if it has only been around for 500 years?

Hello?

	26-09-2003 19:49									#38
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quote: Originally posted by Proteus_MST If you look at their age, many of those Cardinals might not survive till the day when they get a chance to get elected as JP2s succesor

I'm still waiting...

	26-09-2003 19:59									#39
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The one that makes no assumptions.

	26-09-2003 20:03									#40
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quote: Originally posted by Ben Kenobi As for the one true church, the only one that can meet that claim (among the Christian churches), is the Catholic church. The others, including mine, can only say we have a better doctrine.

Nah, surely Greek Orthodox outdoes Rome in the history stakes?

Mandatory beards, for one thing.

	26-09-2003 20:12									#41
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Thank you, Cruddy. Now have yourself a cookie.

	26-09-2003 20:46									#42
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quote: Nah, surely Greek Orthodox outdoes Rome in the history stakes?

No it doesn't. It split in the 1000s during the big Schism.

	26-09-2003 20:49									#43
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quote: Originally posted by Azazel Next time in Monkspider's corner of eternal questions: "What is the meaning of life?".

42. Next?

	26-09-2003 20:51									#44
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So what? The most ancient parts of the church went with us. The Eastern tradition was already well established long before Catholicism came into its own.

	26-09-2003 20:53									#45
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quote: Originally posted by Edan 42. Next?

I loathe that book with a passion.

	26-09-2003 21:07									#46
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The one true faith?

What a lame question since faith is up to interpretation..

I practice Maddenism, where every Sunday morning I plop my a$$ in front of the TV is pray that my team wins!!!!!! Then Monday nights I get lectured to by the greatest deity of all time John Madden!!!!

	26-09-2003 21:13									#47
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quote: Your faith is the one true faith !

BING BING BING!

Give that man a prize!

	26-09-2003 21:14									#48
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quote: Thank you, Cruddy. Now have yourself a cookie.

Elok:

That's actually a debatable topic with the split of the church who gets to call themselves the 'true' church.

I don't know much about the Orthodox, what are their arguments compared to the Catholics?

	26-09-2003 21:31									#49
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What about this?

Since the time, Jesus preached his teachings,
the churches underwent a lot of changes.

From small groups of Believers, who made no distinction between Lays and Preachers to more rigid structures with established Hierarchies and own Budgets (which were originally administrated by the Bishops [only later Bishops became high Ranking peachers, originally they were just some kind of Accountants {and what later became the pope was originally the accountant of Rome }]).

So, as it wasn´t Jesus himself who oversaw these changes, especially not the Development of hierarchical Structures, I think, that there is not one christian church which can be considered the "true" church.

	26-09-2003 21:34									#50
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quote: Originally posted by Kirnwaffen BING BING BING! Give that man a prize!

saying stuff like that may get you expelled from our fine city.

	26-09-2003 21:37									#51
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quote: saying stuff like that may get you expelled from our fine city.

What a shame...

	26-09-2003 21:41									#52
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quote: Originally posted by Ben Kenobi Elok: That's actually a debatable topic with the split of the church who gets to call themselves the 'true' church. I don't know much about the Orthodox, what are their arguments compared to the Catholics?

Like I said a few posts up, the church began in the East. The West only developed the traditions of "catholicism" around the Dark Ages. Relative newcomers compared to us, if we're talking about who's the oldest and nothing else.

	26-09-2003 21:45									#53
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Possible answers

1. conservative Judaism, of course, with a Rosenzweigian approach to theology, a post Kaplanite approach to Jewish identity, and a moderate halachic approach

2. The only true synagogues are the ones that give out a bissle schnapps at Kiddush.


3. One true = what the? Since we dont generally proselytize, aint it clear that we thing there are many ways to truth. Now whether there is ONLY ONE way or not if you happen to be a Jew is another question, but if youre a born gentile without the urge to convert to Judaism, there are many possible ways for you.

4. The only true church/synagogue is the one im going to for Rosh hashanah services tonight, but only if I get a decent seat, and if the Rabbi doesnt throw in too many remarks about the cubbies (hes from Chitown and a big baseball fan - AFAIK he still hasn't retracted the sermon he gave comparing Sammy Sosa to Rabbi Akiva)

	26-09-2003 21:57									#54
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Bokononism.

	26-09-2003 22:50									#56
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Why G-d Never Received Tenure at Any University
He had only one major publication.
It was in Hebrew; had no references; wasn't published in an academic journal; and some doubt he wrote it himself.
He may have created the world, but what has he done since?
The scientific community cannot replicate his results.
He never received permission from the ethics board to use human subjects.
When one experiment went awry, he tried to cover it up by drowning the subjects.
He rarely came to class; telling the students to, "Read the book."
Some say he had his son teach the class.
He expelled his first two students.
His office hours were irregular and sometimes held on a mountain top.
Although there were only ten requirements, most students failed.

	26-09-2003 22:51									#57
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quote: Originally posted by lord of the mark 2. The only true synagogues are the ones that give out a bissle schnapps at Kiddush.

You mean there are synagogues, which give Alcohol for free at certain times?
Must I be a jew to get it or do they give it also to people of other confessions?

	26-09-2003 22:54									#58
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quote: Originally posted by Comrade Tassadar I'm one of those strange people that believe that all the idols people worship are God and Jesus. Even people who worship hundreds of dieties.

I worship God, the Jewish God, not the Christian God.

If God condems people to eternal damnation then he is the biggest sociopath in all of creation.

	26-09-2003 22:55									#59
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I don't think that God is part of creation. Well, part of human creation, maybe.

	26-09-2003 23:04									#60
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Let me re-phrase, if Hell exists then God is the biggest sociopath in existance