28-09-2003 18:08									#31
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Don't worry, I did get the address. I just subscribed you to several *cough* adult entertainment newsletters *cough* and horny goat weed bulletins.

Could you please put it back because I think I missed it?

	28-09-2003 22:14									#32
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hi ,

www.finjan.com , then it cant open itself

and what kind of an isp lets a virus true , .......

have a nice day

	29-09-2003 13:36									#33
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quote: Originally posted by Nuclear Master When I am in my Apolyton e-mail I recieve countless e-mails from admin@apolyton.net that contain viruses.

So do I.

	29-09-2003 19:17									#34
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They're called Ming warning e-mails. Failure to respond usually results in bannings. So I highly recommend that you all open them.

	29-09-2003 19:44									#35
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"Read, Respond and be Infected"?

	29-09-2003 19:55									#36
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Shame on you, Rah

	29-09-2003 20:15									#37
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Damn staff club thread.

	29-09-2003 20:59									#38
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The all new Mingapulco: Not only is it not a fun stay, you also come back home infected with a variety of tropical diseases.

	30-09-2003 00:16									#39
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Well it's obvious, that some people just can't take a joke.

I even used the infamous

	30-09-2003 03:26									#40
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quote: Originally posted by rah They're called Ming warning e-mails. Failure to respond usually results in bannings. So I highly recommend that you all open them.

Yeah right

	30-09-2003 04:51									#41
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quote: Originally posted by geeslaka Building an arsenal Tass? Be warned, viruses may be declared weapons of mass destruction....

Interesting idea...

	30-09-2003 10:53									#42
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quote: Originally posted by rah Well it's obvious, that some people just can't take a joke. I even used the infamous

Perhaps they were afraid to join in the fun, for fear of experiencing some rah math

Asmodean

	30-09-2003 12:05									#43
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if you don't actually download the attachment you don't need norton anti-virus do you? You can't have viruses from just regular e-mails can you?

I'm still too cheap to pay money for norton anti-virus

	30-09-2003 15:01									#44
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There are online scanners you can use if you are stuck. Not opening dodgy attachments is a good start.............it is not, however, a guarantee.

	30-09-2003 15:02									#45
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Some attachments are programmed to open themselves, once the e-mail in question is viewed. A thing that frankly pissed me off

Asmodean

	30-09-2003 18:51									#46
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quote: Originally posted by Asmodean Perhaps they were afraid to join in the fun, for fear of experiencing some rah math Asmodean

Considering the axis of spam that posted after me.........
Frozzy
Asmodean
Dissident
DrSpike
I highly doubt it.

	30-09-2003 22:14									#47
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident if you don't actually download the attachment you don't need norton anti-virus do you? You can't have viruses from just regular e-mails can you? I'm still too cheap to pay money for norton anti-virus

Dis, here is agreat free anti-virus program: www.grisoft.com

	01-10-2003 07:56									#48
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quote: Originally posted by Asmodean Some attachments are programmed to open themselves, once the e-mail in question is viewed. A thing that frankly pissed me off Asmodean

I avoid using any email software that does actually run any code contained in emails beyond html. The risk is too great, in my opinion.

quote: axis of spam

Is that like the axis of evil?
Anyway, it can't be a true axis of spam without at least one post by me.

	01-10-2003 14:52									#49
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Forget about the Return-Path entry. That can be faked so easily. Mailserver communication goes like this:

helo somename
-- mailserver response
mail from: any e-mail address here will show up as Return-Path
-- mailserver response (250 OK)
rcpt to: asmodean@***.dk
-- mailserver response (250 OK)
data
-- mailserver response
Subject: Bla
From: markg

Hello text text
.

As you see you can completely hide your email in such a communication. Apart from the rcpt to: you can enter bogus adresses.
The only thing that marks the sender is his ip adress in the first received entry (read from bottom to top)

So the mail appears to come from: 68.86.43.63
The do a WHOIS lookup to see who this ip belongs to either with arin.net (America) or ripe.net (Europe):
http://ws.arin.net/cgi-bin/whois.pl?queryinput=!%20NET-68-86-32-0-1
There you will find information where to send abuse reportings.

I have done this some times when I got very annoyed with spam and I got some responses from ISPs who said they've investigated and shut down the user. Whatever, now I just sort out 80-90% of the spam into a special folder on my imap server and mark them "read" so that they dont appear as new mail.

ata

	01-10-2003 14:58									#50
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quote: Originally posted by Skanky Burns I avoid using any email software that does actually run any code contained in emails beyond html. The risk is too great, in my opinion.

In Outlook Express you can select to view every e-mail plain-text only. So no VBS/dangerous HTML code can be executed
(assuming OE's view plain-text only option is not exploitable)

I have also disabled the preview pane.

ata

	01-10-2003 17:25									#51
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Disabling the preview pane is highly recommended.
It's also a good idea to disable the automatic opening of the next message.

	01-10-2003 18:35									#52
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It's also recommended to use some better e-mail client like Eudora, Pegasus Mail, Netscape Mail, Mozilla Mail or Mozilla Thunderbird.

	01-10-2003 18:39									#53
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quote: Originally posted by rah Disabling the preview pane is highly recommended. It's also a good idea to disable the automatic opening of the next message.

Oh hell yeah!

	01-10-2003 18:44									#54
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quote: Originally posted by Asuka It's also recommended to use some better e-mail client like Eudora, Pegasus Mail, Netscape Mail, Mozilla Mail or Mozilla Thunderbird.

At work, I don't get a choice.
At home, we use netscape.

	01-10-2003 19:42									#55
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quote: Is that like the axis of evil? Anyway, it can't be a true axis of spam without at least one post by me.

Naw, you're just part of the Axis of semi-spam.

	04-10-2003 16:30									#56
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quote: Originally posted by Atahualpa Forget about the Return-Path entry. That can be faked so easily.

I thought newer versions of sendmail has plugged this hole?

	04-10-2003 17:02									#57
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quote: I thought newer versions of sendmail has plugged this hole?

This is no hole but part of the Simple Mail Transfer Protocol.

How should sendmail do a check on the "mail from:" address anyway?

All it can do is checking if the e-mail address given has correct syntax and that a valid domain is given. AFAIK this is done.
But well this doesnt help anything because I could use your e-mail address when sending mail and you'd be written in the Return-Path then. Its a valid e-mail address and it exists but there is no way to check if this e-mail address really belongs to me. You'd have to introduce a new email protocol where you have to use certification that the e-mail you are using is really yours. This would however rely on central certification storage servers and the whole thing would be quite vulnerable to DOS attacks and thelike.
AFAIK there is already development of a new protocol for e-mail, but I dont know anything specific.

I was once part of such an "attack" where some spammer put my e-mail address as "mail from: " and i got lots of failed delivery messages. This was EXTREMLY annoying!!

The only thing you can rely on is the IP. That would be a bit more difficult to fake. It is possible to fake the first received entries by using public ip addresses in a private lan and setup a router to do the routing. But eventually the mail has to leave the private network and the first mailserver that is not part of that network lists the real ip of the spammer.

ata

	04-10-2003 21:38									#58
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quote: Originally posted by Asmodean Some attachments are programmed to open themselves, once the e-mail in question is viewed. A thing that frankly pissed me off Asmodean

hi ,

www.finjan.com , its like a supermax for your mail , ......

have a nice day

	04-10-2003 23:07									#59
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I swear to God, the next time I see panag plug finjan.com, I will get a nervous breakdown.

panag: Message received, okay!!

Asmodean

	04-10-2003 23:21									#60
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Just make sure you don't ask him for smileys.