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Don't forget about the shortages UR. Right now the homeless shelter for families is full where I live. NOw that's what I call an inefficiency. Who the hell cares how many SUVs we produce when homeless families have no place to go? |
that thought lacks pragmatism. u can't strip ppl of suv's and have an equal amt of work go into feeding ppl who don't do work. and to do so would be called slavery.
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yavoon
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Has anyone answered how forcing people to work minimum wage to clean the toilets of billionares isn't just as bad a form of slavery yet? |
no1 is forcing u to work. its the billionaires money, u want some of it. u ask him what u can do to get some of it.
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yavoon
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Originally posted by Osweld
Yes, like they choose whether they eat or not. |
very few ppl starve in developed capitalist societies.
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yavoon
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Originally posted by Kidicious
Well that doesn't mean the same thing because all homeless people need shelter. btw, I bet more homeless people work than rich people. |
as a % or a #?
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yavoon
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Originally posted by Osweld
Yes, because of socialist programs. |
yes, I'm not arguing for lasseiz faire. I believe in welfare programs and anti trust and all sorts of mechanisms to help develop the intent of capitalism(competition). to its best.
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yavoon
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Originally posted by Kidicious
% of course. |
k sure I'll take u up on that.
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yavoon
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Originally posted by Osweld
So how do you like being a slave, giving part of your wage to feed and shelter people, or educate children? |
I dont have to give it all. ur right tho, taxes are forced. and I don't like how quite a bit of my taxes get spent. I would take moderate taxation to help lube capitalism over communist authoritarianism anyday.
u can imagine as they take mor eof my money i feel like more of a "slave." more work so other ppl can spend my money. if they just removed my money(work product) and reallocated it as they saw fit. then there'd be hell to pay.
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Ft. Lauderdale, FL Communist Party of Apolyton
Jun 2000
time: 00:31
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Originally posted by OneFootInTheGrave
not really... in proportion if you take all the communist states together and all the capitalist ones including africa/ south america etc... |
Which is what I am doing.
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on average I am 100% certain that all the hunger... think about it... Ukraine, Russia, China, etc... because of management mistakes would never have happened in a similarly developed capitalist society... |
Au contrair, management mistakes are occuring all the time. Ever hear of the terms: crisis, depression, & recession? Just because the management is done anarchically instead of centrally doesn't mean that capitalist famines are not the result of mismanagement. The difference, though, is that capitalist famines are an integral part of the system. Capitalism needs them to redirect the flow of capitali from less profitable to more profitable enterprises, to shake out the dead wood.
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People in capitalism are hungry because of natural catastophes like droughts/floods or wars etc, |
War is actually the chief cause of famine in the modern world, but not the only one. Even still, most wars occur in the capitalist world and are fought over the control of capital and resources. This is not always the case. During the Somoli famine, for example, the country was still exporting food in order to get hard currency. Money was more important than lives (the Bolsheviks also did this in 1924, IIRC).
During the Irish Potato Blight, Ireland exported enough food to feed the whole island. Clearly, the famine was not the result of the blight, but that capitalist farmers couldn't make money selling to people with no money. Ireland's population has only just recovered from the famine, btw, even though it was 160 years ago.
It's better not to die at all, but would you rather die from a mistake or to enrich some landlord?
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Ook! Ook! Ack! Ack! Ack!
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sheesh, this thread is still bobbing on the surface!
First, I'll say it again, morals are subjective.
Second, saying that communism promotes slavery is a bad argument to take as communism is as much a train of though as it is a form of government. This train of thought is intuned to the utopian idea of helping your brother man... a following everyone in the communist environment must take... thus, it is not slavery.
It is as much slavery as one would could claim that capitalism is; slave to the economy, taxes, your job, the bank, and as Phish put it "Slave to the Traffic Light"...
It's just that more people are able to conform to capitalism and in a sense socialism because it doesn't seemingly "require" as much personal charity. Yet, you are still a slave, the draft or monster.com are you traders, and many things are your master.
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yavoon
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Originally posted by Japher
sheesh, this thread is still bobbing on the surface!
First, I'll say it again, morals are subjective.
Second, saying that communism promotes slavery is a bad argument to take as communism is as much a train of though as it is a form of government. This train of thought is intuned to the utopian idea of helping your brother man... a following everyone in the communist environment must take... thus, it is not slavery.
It is as much slavery as one would could claim that capitalism is; slave to the economy, taxes, your job, the bank, and as Phish put it "Slave to the Traffic Light"...
It's just that more people are able to conform to capitalism and in a sense socialism because it doesn't seemingly "require" as much personal charity. Yet, you are still a slave, the draft or monster.com are you traders, and many things are your master. |
communism is a democracy that requires a prepetually unanimous vote. or communism is an autocratic dictator with some prison space leftover.
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03-10-2003 21:23
The government allocates resources all over the place. If it benefits society it's justified. Slavery? 
It's all about your frame of mind... Yet taking a stance on it's morality would present for a very vague argument. It would be like a jew and a catholic arguing about which knife to cut the pork with.
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