03-10-2003 21:19									#61
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quote: Originally posted by Sava The whole black comment was stupid and he should not have a job at ESPN if he's going to make stupid comments like that. He should leave his stupid racist opinions to his radio show.

I just don't see anything racist about his comment. Care to enlighten me?

	03-10-2003 21:22									#62
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It's quite simple. You're allowed to talk about race when it comes to management/coaches , but players are strictly off-limits.

	03-10-2003 21:28									#63
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Neal Boortz did a pretty good breakdown of Rush's comments.

quote: Do you need any further clarification of what Limbaugh said? Do I have to break it down for you? OK ... step-by-step: 1. Donovan McNabb hasn't been a very good quarterback from the beginning. Anything racist there? If there is, I can't find it. Do we now find ourselves at the point where you cannot criticize a black athlete without being called a racist? 2. The National Football League has some social concerns. Translation, there's a bit of political correctness in the NFL front office. I don't know if that's true or not. You tell me! Is there anything inherently wrong with bringing up the possibility? 3. Some sportswriters want to see a black quarterback do well. Well now isn't that a shocking statement! Can you imagine that! A few weeks ago a female place kicker actually kicked a field goal in a Division 1A college football game. Do you think that it is at all possible that there were some sportswriters out there, maybe even some female sportswriters, who wanted to see that kick go through the uprights? Would that make these sportswriters sexist? So we find it perfectly reasonable to understand why a female sportswriter might want to see that gal kick that football, but you just can't imagine a black sportswriter wanting to see a black quarterback succeed? Come on, admit it. You went to government schools, didn't you? 4. Donovan McNabb has been getting more credit for the team's success than perhaps he deserves. Maybe so, maybe not! I'm certainly not knowledgeable enough to comment on that. I couldn't name any Eagles player other than McNabb .. and if it weren't for this story I wouldn't even be able to name him. I'm just not that much of a fan. But can't a question like this be addressed to literally hundreds of players in each of the four major sports? So .. there you go. Rush's statement broken down into four easily understandable statements, none of which is the slightest bit racially insensitive, let alone racist.

	03-10-2003 21:49									#64
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quote: Originally posted by Sava I really didn't mind Limbaugh on ESPN as long as he made football commentary. If he thought McNabb overrated (as I think Mike Vick) then he should say so. The whole black comment was stupid and he should not have a job at ESPN if he's going to make stupid comments like that. He should leave his stupid racist opinions to his radio show. I didn't like Limbaugh's hiring in the first place, because I know how he is. But I said to myself, "If he can just stick to football commentary, I won't have a problem with it." Well he opened his stupid mouth, and now suffers the consequences. These new drug allegations don't surprise me. I don't look down on him for being addicted to pain killers. That is a problem that many people suffer from. I am dismayed at the illegal means with which he acquired his drugs.

The comment was not stupid because he was pointing out a sports media bias. This bias does exist and is obvious. The question of bias in the media should always be the subject of comment.

The reaction of liberals here to demand that Limbaugh be fired only indicates that Limbaugh was right. Conservative blacks have defended Rush.

	03-10-2003 21:50									#65
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There is a story that abuse of painkillers can cause deafness. Rush went deaf.

Is there any basis for the statement that painkillers can cause deafness.

	03-10-2003 21:56									#66
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Rush just said he wanted to go on Sunday and take it from Tom Jackson and Irvin. Apparently, many of their friends had castigated them for not coming down hard on Rush's comments. However, he was told that Jackson and Irvin would feel uncomfortable with that. As a result, Rush decided to resign to protect Jackson and Irvin.

	03-10-2003 22:01									#67
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yeah, but see, here's where the problem lies... and i think it was really kinda a brain fart for him.

his audience on radio, which wouldn't've reacted this way to what he said, is primarily conservative.

his audience on tv, which is considerably more mixed, had a different reaction.

i don't think he was being racist, but rather that he forgot how controversial some things he says are--and which audience he was talking to.

a brain fart, that's all it was.

	03-10-2003 22:12									#68
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quote: Originally posted by Q Cubed yeah, but see, here's where the problem lies... and i think it was really kinda a brain fart for him. his audience on radio, which wouldn't've reacted this way to what he said, is primarily conservative. his audience on tv, which is considerably more mixed, had a different reaction. i don't think he was being racist, but rather that he forgot how controversial some things he says are--and which audience he was talking to. a brain fart, that's all it was.

Bull! The most entertaining sports broadcaster of all time was Howard Cosell. His trademark was controversial and even political remarks.

I was a great Cosell fan. I'll never forget the first time I heard him. He had a morning broadcast that went on radio just before 8. The first broadcast that I heard was just prior to the 1964 World Series. Cosell was saying the Yankees were not as good as the media made them out to be. He thought they could be beaten by St. Louis.

(It is remarkable how similar his comment then was to Limbaugh's comment. Cosell was challenging the group think of the media as was Limbaugh. Cosell turned out to be right. The Yankees lost the world series to St. Louis.)

But what me a real fan is that I had never heard anything thoughtful or controversial from a sports broadcaster before. Cosell went on to make Ali a star by, among other things, challenging the media bias against Ali. He was never shy about discussing the hard or controversial issues.

Limbaugh would have been a refreshing breath of fresh air in sports. It is too bad we will not hear from him again or from anyone like him.

	03-10-2003 22:15									#69
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quote: Originally posted by Caligastia I just don't see anything racist about his comment. Care to enlighten me?

You never surprise us with anything you say, Cal.

	03-10-2003 22:17									#70
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the key difference here, ned, though, is that he didn't link the yankees not being as good to race, which is what limbaugh did.

bringing up race in america is literally throwing yourself in the line of fire.

that's what i mean by brain fart. i don't mind controversial. that's fine. i don't really even mind this comment, because i don't know anything about american football. but limbaugh's bright enough to know that bringing up the spectre of race--anywhere outside of his key demographic--is tantamount to suicide.

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quote: Originally posted by Q Cubed the key difference here, ned, though, is that he didn't link the yankees not being as good to race, which is what limbaugh did. bringing up race in america is literally throwing yourself in the line of fire. that's what i mean by brain fart. i don't mind controversial. that's fine. i don't really even mind this comment, because i don't know anything about american football. but limbaugh's bright enough to know that bringing up the spectre of race--anywhere outside of his key demographic--is tantamount to suicide.

Racist comments have always been an issue and have been a cause for firing. Bringing up race per se, has not been. Cosell often brought up race. But, he was challenging the racism of the NFL, the media and society. He was a leader in social change in the United States. So don't give me the bull that race is off limits. It is only off limits to conservatives. And that is an issue.

	03-10-2003 22:29									#72
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Prescription Painkillers Linked to Hearing Loss

The LA Times is reporting that prolonged use of high dosages of Vicodin and similar prescription painkillers has been linked to hearing loss in at least 48 cases. Doctors at the House Ear Institute (HEI) and other medical centers have verified that exceptionally high dosages of these medications for several months have caused sudden hearing loss.

One of the most commonly prescribed painkillers, Vicodin is effective against many different kinds of pains. Unfortunately, it is an addictive synthetic opiate, which can result in long-term, high-dosage abuse after the medicinal reason for taking the drug has disappeared. Some people believe that doctors are too willing to prescribe these potent narcotic painkillers, and a government study seems to confirm this. The study found that 1.6 million Americans began taking painkillers like Vicodin for nonmedical reasons in 1998!

HEI doctors now believe that they saw their first case of Vicodin-induced hearing loss in 1993, although they didn't identify the cause at that time. They first reported Vicodin-related hearing loss incidents to the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) in 1999, and again last month.

Knoll Pharmaceutical Co., the makers of Vicodin, added a hearing loss warning to the drug's label in 2000, but it seems to have gone largely unnoticed. The FDA worked with the manufacturer on the wording of the warning. They plan no additional action, because hearing loss seems to be a very rare side effect that occurs only when the drug is used inappropriately.

Some doctors think the problem may be much more common that is currently believed. Because determining the cause of a person's hearing loss is often difficult or impossible, doctors may not be making the connection between hearing loss and Vicodin. This situation is compounded by the fact that patients may be unwilling to reveal the extent of their painkiller use.

Doctors report that sudden and rapid hearing loss is normally the result of either autoimmune disease or medications like antibiotics or diuretics. Steroids are often effective in stopping or reversing hearing loss related to autoimmune disease; terminating the offending medication is often similarly effective. Cases that don't fit either of these classic patterns should be examined for a possible Vicodin connection.

Vicodin is a combination of acetaminophen and hydrocodone and is also sold under the brand names Lorcet, Lortab and Hydrocet. It is the combination of acetaminophen and hydrocodone that seems to cause hearing loss, though scientists don't yet know how.

http://www.hearinglossweb.com/Medical/Causes/vic.htm

Lorcet is the painkiller that Rush alegedly took.

	03-10-2003 22:59									#73
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thought it was oxycontin that he was buying...? ah well.

as for bringing up race, it's only a problem because of hypersensitive individuals. i'm not arguing that he should have resigned, i'm just saying that what he said was probably not the best thing to say on tv in front of a mixed audience, half of which probably already doesn't like him anyway.

and the point still remains: did cosell link the overrated yankees to the incindenary subject of race?

	03-10-2003 23:06									#74
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This thread is for Rush and Painkillers, right? Not Rush and Racisim... there's another thread for that.

Anyway, I wouldn't say that most of Rush's listeners are conservatives... many, many, liberals listen to rat on him.

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Limbaugh is a slobbering, unstable idiot.

I think that is the conclusion of this thread?

	03-10-2003 23:32									#76
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quote: Originally posted by Q Cubed and the point still remains: did cosell link the overrated yankees to the incindenary subject of race?

Not that I can recall. The race issue came up with Ali and the NFL. Cosell, IIRC, was among the first to actually talk about the bias against black quarterbacks by the NFL. He interjected race into sports and was not fired.

	03-10-2003 23:37									#77
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quote: Originally posted by Q Cubed thought it was oxycontin that he was buying...? ah well.

From the ABC story,

"The sources said Thursday that authorities are looking into the illegal sales of prescription drugs OxyContin and hydrocodone."

From the article quoted above,

"It is the combination of acetaminophen and hydrocodone that seems to cause hearing loss, though scientists don't yet know how."

	03-10-2003 23:38									#78
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Perhaps Limbaugh out to sue!

	03-10-2003 23:39									#79
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Wrongful Termination... he should...

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I'm sure Rush will have plenty of time to explain his theories about being tough on crime while his cellmate is bending him over one of those stainless steel prison toilet/sink combos.



Hopefully a stint in prison will make Rush more sympathetic to the "homosexual agenda".

	03-10-2003 23:56									#81
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The Templar, Rush has lost his hearing because of this. Would you punish him further just because he is a conservative?

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quote: Originally posted by Ned The Templar, Rush has lost his hearing because of this. Would you punish him further just because he is a conservative?

Rush has consistently encouraged rough treatment of drug criminals. If he is one, then he should pay the high price he has advocated for others.

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quote: Originally posted by The Templar Rush has consistently encouraged rough treatment of drug criminals. If he is one, then he should pay the high price he has advocated for others.

I am not sure of your statement is true, at least currently. If he himself became addicted and continued to call for imprisonment of the addicted, then so be it. He should be jailed. But typically we do not jail the addicted on a first offense, but simply fine them, put them on probation and ask them to go to a drug rehab center. Rush should have this right as well, shouldn't he?

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Ned, I doubt Limbaugh used painkillers then lost his hearing. It's more likely, by what the maid said regarding timing, that he was having ear problems and then began using painkillers.

quote: I am not sure of your statement is true, at least currently.

He has been a vocal proponent of the drug war. I remember an interview he did for Playboy magazine and he was asked if he had ever used pot and he said he had. He was then asked if he felt he should have been punished for using pot - which is what he advocates for others - and he said no. Why? Get this, because he was a conservative who was experimenting. I kid you not, that is what he said.

quote: If he himself became addicted and continued to call for imprisonment of the addicted, then so be it. He should be jailed. But typically we do not jail the addicted on a first offense, but simply fine them, put them on probation and ask them to go to a drug rehab center. Rush should have this right as well, shouldn't he?

Let him spend a weekday/weekend in jail first, that's the minimum done to others who use drugs in most jurisdictions. No, that's too easy, give him whatever the punishment is in Texas! Actually, I don't want him punished at all because it's immoral to punish people for exercising their freedom, that's what these phony conservatives like Rush can't figure out when they're telling us how they believe in freedom while those evil liberals dont. But I can already see his apologists like Bill O'Reilly and Joe Scarborough spinning this matter, oh poor Rush, he was in pain and got addicted to painkillers. He deserves our sympathy, not our scorn. Where are these ******* hypocrites when people are jailed for using medical pot? They're putting them in the cages. **** 'em!

	04-10-2003 05:51									#85
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Oh, btw, we'll see if Rush is the snake he seems to be. He's said he'll cooperate in any way he can. If that's true, then he really is a despicable piece of sh!t. Oops, I mean a rat. For someone to use drugs and then turn their supplier in is slimy, but if he merely bought them from the maid (after pressuring her), then he probably had no contact with the suppliers. If he was using drugs, that's tells me nothing about his character. If he turns on others, that speaks volumes.

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I have been conducting a little research on this and low and behold I think I found out why Rush may have been taking hydrocodone. This is a remedy for Restless Leg Syndrome, something that Rush has been making fun of for years.

Below are some links.

Also, I heard that Florida has a mandatory 15 year sentence if a person has a certain number of grams of hydrocodone. This could be either 20 or 200 pills, I do not remember which. But the story is that Rush would hand a cigar box of money to his maid and receive a cigar box of pills in return. This could be enough to put Rush behind bars for 15 years.

Link to hydrocordone as a remedy:

"I am a 46 year old male who has suffered from RLS for many years. It started with occasional symptoms in the legs when sitting still or when trying to sleep. Doctors had no explanation for it and I just figured it was that bowl of ice cream or piece of chocolate I had before I went to bed or something else. After recovering from a bulged disk in my back in April of 2000 I began to get RLS symptoms in my arms and legs constantly. Thus began the long roller coaster ride to find out what was wrong. I would probably have to write a book to share my experience of being mistreated and misdiagnosed by Doctors and Neurologists and will perhaps share this in a letter later. In August of 2000 my wife found the RLS Foundation and finaly I was able to get on the right track and end up at a sleep disorder clinic who understood what I was going through. I have tried many medications, Sinemet worked the best but I began to rebound. I ended up taking Hydrocodone. At first it was not what I wanted to do but it worked great and once I got comfortable with the effects of Hydrocodone and the effects have diminished greatly over time I have no RLS symptoms and I get a good nights sleep."

http://www.rls.org/guestbook/2002/feb2002.htm

"Date: Fri, 24 Oct 97 11:10:51 -0700

Came across your RLS page today and wanted to thank you for the information. Nice to know I'm not alone. I started to have the problem when I was around 50 years old, I'm now 56. I have been using carbidopa/levodopa 25/100mg one tablet before bedtime and found it to be very effective, very seldom do I have the problem during the daytime.

Add me to your list of happy users of Carbidopa/Levodopa 25/100

Again thanks for your web page.

P.S. I became aware of many people having this problem when I was tuned to the Rush Limbaugh radio program. In his own way he is making people aware of this problem...even if he does make fun of it the word is getting out ...we should all send him a thank you note...a nice thank you note.

Barry K.

Medical Reply

Thanks for your note. Sinemet (carbidopa/levodopa) can be a very good drug for RLS. If you need more of it in the future, please try to stay under 3 per day"

http://www.rlshelp.org/rlscomp7.htm

The RLS site

http://www.rls.org/frames/home_frame.htm

	04-10-2003 08:28									#87
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I have restless legs after a round of golf, he won't get time, he's too powerful.

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Hmm...Ned, you may be right. On Keith Olberman tonight, he said the maid claimed Limbaugh began using these painkillers about 4 years ago and went deaf 2 years ago. He may be one of the unlucky "few"...

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This is tragic.