11-10-2003 19:51									#31
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quote: Originally posted by St Leo Strategy: 1) Europa Universalis 2 2) Civilization 2 3) Warlords III RTS: 1) Warlords Battlecry II 2) Total Annihilation 3) Kohan

I wont add any of those before you fix this...

As far as I know EU2 is RTS, so it goes under RTS, leaving 2 games in "Strategy" (TBS?) and 4 in RTS...

	11-10-2003 19:55									#32
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quote: Originally posted by Datajack Franit Strategy/TB 1. SMAC 2. Imperialism I/II 3. Civ III

Is this Imperialism 1 or 2?

quote: Originally posted by Datajack Franit Adventure 1. The Longest Journey (one of the best games ever!) 2. Syberia -ditto 3. Curse of Monkey Island

Syberia -ditto? Is ditto also part of the name?

	11-10-2003 19:59									#33
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quote: Originally posted by oedo Sport 1) Colin McRae 2 2) NHL 200x 3) Fifa 200x

Set which year..!




Btw, an add for my votes:

RPG:

Pirates of the Carribean

	11-10-2003 20:07									#34
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quote: Originally posted by ADG Set which year..!

year doesn´t really matter for me, since they are too similar. but if you insist, 2002 are the last ones I played, and each year they become better, so I go with 2002.

	11-10-2003 22:24									#35
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quote: Originally posted by ADG I wont add any of those before you fix this... As far as I know EU2 is RTS, so it goes under RTS, leaving 2 games in "Strategy" (TBS?) and 4 in RTS...

Oh, come on. Can't I be a fundamentalist and claim that EU2 is merely real-time strategy and not RTS at all? Or will that screw up everyone else?

	11-10-2003 22:35									#36
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quote: Is this Imperialism 1 or 2?

Both- they're both great games

quote: Syberia -ditto? Is ditto also part of the name?

LOL the game's name is Syberia

I meant the game's another must-have for every gaming player

	12-10-2003 02:29									#37
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quote: Originally posted by St Leo Oh, come on. Can't I be a fundamentalist and claim that EU2 is merely real-time strategy and not RTS at all? Or will that screw up everyone else?

Well... I have to set the limit somewhere, otherwise we'd end up having 1000+ different genres...

quote: Originally posted by Datajack Franit Both- they're both great games

But which one will get second place, and which one will get third place... and you know by that Civ3 wont be calculated

quote: Originally posted by Datajack Franit LOL the game's name is Syberia I meant the game's another must-have for every gaming player

Ahhh... that's how it was ment

	12-10-2003 03:15									#38
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Imperialism II then

	13-10-2003 02:36									#39
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TBS:
CTP2
Civ2
CTP1

RTS:
Warcraft 3
Med. Total War
Empire Earth

RPG:
Baldurs Gate 2
Planescape: Torment
Icewind Dale 2

Adventure:
Myst
Riven
Myst 3 Exile

Simulation:
Caesar 3
Pharoah
SimCity 2000

	13-10-2003 08:29									#40
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Strategy:
1) Warlords III
2) Civilization 2
3) Imperialism

RTS:
1) Warlords Battlecry II
2) Total Annihilation
3) Kohan

Shooter:
1) Duke3D
2) Doom
3) Serious Sam

Sim:
1) Transport Tycoon Deluxe
2) SimEarth
3) SimCity 2000

Happy?

	13-10-2003 08:34									#41
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quote: Originally posted by ADG Zero >> 2D fighting is the same as 3D fighting, so I wont count your fighting games before you edit it...

ewww... as long as you consider TBS same genre as RTS, I could understand that.... but yuck.

	13-10-2003 09:44									#42
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TBS

Civ2
SMAC
Civ3

RPG:
Fallout 2
Baldur's Gate 2
Diablo 2- yeah I know it's not real rpg'y

Sports:
well Madden NFL is the only game I really play in this category.

umm, I really don't play any other games besides TBS and RPG's

	13-10-2003 14:34									#43
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quote: Originally posted by Zero ewww... as long as you consider TBS same genre as RTS, I could understand that.... but yuck.

There's no difference in gameplay if it's 3D or not... it only changes the graphics...

	13-10-2003 17:13									#44
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TBS:
1) Civilization 2
2) MOO2
3) Call to Power 2

RPG:
1) Baldur´s Gate 2
2) Chrono Trigger
3) Final Fantasy VII

RTS:
1) Total Annihilation
2) Homeworld 2
3) Starcraft

Tycoon:
1) SimCity 4

Adventure:
1) Sanitarium
2) The Secret of Monkey Island 2
3) Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade

FPS:
1) MOHAA
2) Wolfenstein Enemy Territory
3) Blood 1

Space Sim:
1) Freespace 1
2) Freespace 2


(Where should I put these?)
Other:
1) LBA Relentless
2) LBA 2

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	13-10-2003 18:20									#45
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quote: Originally posted by Carlos113 2) TS of Monkey Island 2

TS?

quote: Originally posted by Carlos113 1) LBA Relentless 2) LBA 2

Is LBA short for something?

	13-10-2003 18:32									#46
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The Secret of...

LBA: Little Big Adventure.

	13-10-2003 20:52									#47
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quote: Originally posted by ADG Well... I have to set the limit somewhere, otherwise we'd end up having 1000+ different genres...

so why not just put strategy - why divide into RTS and TBS at all (dont take it personally - i know youre not responsible for this arbitrary distinction - just taking issue generally with the distinction)

The response would be that gameplay is dramatically different for TBS and RTS. Well if gameplay is the distinction, does EU play more like Civ or like warcraft? (in terms of pacing, etc, not subject matter)

	13-10-2003 21:02									#48
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quote: Originally posted by St Leo Strategy: 1) Warlords III 2) Civilization 2 3) Imperialism RTS: 1) Warlords Battlecry II 2) Total Annihilation 3) Kohan Shooter: 1) Duke3D 2) Doom 3) Serious Sam Sim: 1) Transport Tycoon Deluxe 2) SimEarth 3) SimCity 2000 Happy?

EU disappeared from your list. Making a point?

	13-10-2003 22:21									#49
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quote: Originally posted by lord of the mark The response would be that gameplay is dramatically different for TBS and RTS. Well if gameplay is the distinction, does EU play more like Civ or like warcraft? (in terms of pacing, etc, not subject matter)

Since I've never played EU, I can't answer that question!

...and Agathon who was the first one to include EU, put it under RTS...

	13-10-2003 22:29									#50
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Turn-Based Strategy
Civilization series
Axis & Allies
Risk

RTS
Star Wars Rebellion
Red Alert 2

RPG
Final Fantasy III
Morrowind

Racing
Test Drive 5 (haven't played games of this genre in a while)
Super Mario Kart

FPS/Tactical Shooter
Ghost Recon
Wolf3D
Return to Castle Wolfenstein
Enemy Territory

	13-10-2003 22:39									#51
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Which of the Civ games are you reffering to?

And you do realize Enemy Territory wont be calculated (When I do the calculations tomorow..?

	14-10-2003 00:12									#52
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quote: Originally posted by ADG There's no difference in gameplay if it's 3D or not... it only changes the graphics...

then you dont hit the arcades as often enough to play a decent game of mvc2/tekken etc.

how does having real time and turn based affect the gameplay of strategy games?

	14-10-2003 02:59									#53
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quote: Originally posted by lord of the mark The response would be that gameplay is dramatically different for TBS and RTS. Well if gameplay is the distinction, does EU play more like Civ or like warcraft? (in terms of pacing, etc, not subject matter)

Eu is technically RTS, however it plays like TBS, due to constant pausing, and the ability to speed up and slow it down to the pace that suits you.

It is closer to Civ than Warcraft, as far as the feel of the game.

I think it should go into TBS.


...but that's just my humble opinion.

	14-10-2003 13:37									#54
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And RoN is also played more with the use of pause, but it's still an RTS game because the "standard" way of playing it is without the pauses... they only included the pause function to make us TBS players happy

quote: Originally posted by Zero then you dont hit the arcades as often enough to play a decent game of mvc2/tekken etc.

I've played my share of Tekken (2 & 3) and old 2D fighters like Street Fighter and Mortal Kombat, and as far as I see, the only difference they make in gameplay is the difference in the time they where created (Kinda like the difference between Civ1 and Civ2)

quote: Originally posted by Zero how does having real time and turn based affect the gameplay of strategy games?

In TBS games you tend to do a lot more thinking than in RTS games... and with this, the game also becomes much more deeper

	14-10-2003 20:21									#55
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TBS:
1) Civilization: Call to Power
2) Worms Armageddon

	14-10-2003 21:39									#56
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quote: I've played my share of Tekken (2 & 3) and old 2D fighters like Street Fighter and Mortal Kombat, and as far as I see, the only difference they make in gameplay is the difference in the time they where created (Kinda like the difference between Civ1 and Civ2)

They should be in seperate catagories, but seeing as theyll be only a few votes for either genre they may aswell be lumped together.

	14-10-2003 22:13									#57
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quote: Originally posted by ADG You mean SMG/SMA is two different games?

SMA was released with some actual changes to the engine, not just additional scenarios, so I guess technically its considered a new game. My impression is that most successor games change a whole lot more than SMA did from SMG. Its customary in the wargames biz to release essentially the same engine modded for a different battle, and price it as a new game. This is known affectionately as the John Tiller model. Thats cause the hobby has become so small its almost impossible for a developer (other than Norm Koger ) to make money otherwise . Of course SMA had the name "Sid Meier" on it and so was able to command sales wargames rarely get. So its seems a bit unreasonable for Firaxis to have have released what was really an x-pack at new game prices . Of course Firaxis was just getting started then, so i suppose they felt they could justify the fleecing. (not that i can complain, since i bought the 2 games together for $10 US as shovelware ) I tend to think of them as one game, and call it SMG/SMA, or just SMG.


By the way, this is one reason wargames need a seperate category. They follow a different business model from mainstream strategy games, and so present unique issues.

	14-10-2003 22:33									#58
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Ok, in the next update of the votes, you'll see it mentioned as "Sid Meyers Gettysburg"

	15-10-2003 21:22									#59
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Meier's ?

	15-10-2003 23:25									#60
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quote: Originally posted by ADG I've played my share of Tekken (2 & 3) and old 2D fighters like Street Fighter and Mortal Kombat, and as far as I see, the only difference they make in gameplay is the difference in the time they where created (Kinda like the difference between Civ1 and Civ2)

im sorry but if you think that ability to sidestep in 3d games isnt a big difference, then you're defintely a a fighting game scrub.