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Ned
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of Aptos, CA
Oct 1999
time: 21:31
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I just checked Rush's site. He has an "essential stack of stuff" section with articles on various topics. There is no section for drugs. There's no article, in more than 100 on the page, that is related to drugs.
I have been listening to Rush Limbaugh for years. I don't recall a single statement of his on drugs. Although I don't listen to Rush Limbaugh every day, nor do I listen to his entire show when I do, I just do not remember him ever saying that he advocates that first-time drug users be imprisoned. To the extent that press reports indicated he did say this, they attribute a quote from 1995, years before he became addicted.
If Rush is really a hypocrite, it would be because he was arguing for penalties for people abusing drugs at the exact same time he himself was abusing him. As I said, I personally do not recall Rush ever addressing the topic of drug abuse and penalties, at least not in recent years.
I do not doubt that he has talked about medical marijuana use in a sarcastic manner. I think it is sarcasm went to the issue of genuineness of the medical use.
The statement that he constantly argued for jail time for drug abusers is not supported by anything on his site or anything that I can recall personally.
I also submit to you, that even if he had these positions in the past, he will not have them in the future. I believe he will see drug addiction as a true medical problem. People on the left will probably now see a champion on the right for moderation when pursuing drug offenders. This has got to help their cause.
Also, think about this. To the extent that Rush's audience would have advocated jail time for first-time drug abusers, they will no longer do so given that their hero himself as a drug addict.
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Berzerker
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topeka, kansas,USA
May 1999
time: 23:31
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Mindseye - quote:
Berzerker, next time you're in Shanghai, do stop by for a smoke. |
I'd have to be abducted before I found myself in Shanghai 
Ned - quote:
I just do not remember him ever saying that he advocates that first-time drug users be imprisoned. |
Read the thread, it has some quotes. I've heard him comment on drugs and how he feels about those "maggot infested pot smokers".
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To the extent that press reports indicated he did say this, they attribute a quote from 1995, years before he became addicted. |
According to Oedo (or was it Clem or someone else), the quote about sending more white drug users up the river to balance out blacks and other minorities was from a ~year ago.
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If Rush is really a hypocrite, it would be because he was arguing for penalties for people abusing drugs at the exact same time he himself was abusing him. |
No, he could have been arguing for those penalties from decades past, not just contemperaneous use. The only way he could avoid the charge of hypocrisy was if he did a 180 when he began using drugs and advocated legalisation or leniency.
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I do not doubt that he has talked about medical marijuana use in a sarcastic manner. I think it is sarcasm went to the issue of genuineness of the medical use. |
Sarcasm designed to demean people using pot for it's medicinal properties and the movement to legalise medicinal pot. Sorry, I don't believe for one minute Rush cares about the genuineness or efficacy of medicinal pot... He seems to take positions based on where the liberals are, no detectable principles at play.
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The statement that he constantly argued for jail time for drug abusers is not supported by anything on his site or anything that I can recall personally. |
Your lack of knowledge is not evidence.
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I also submit to you, that even if he had these positions in the past, he will not have them in the future. I believe he will see drug addiction as a true medical problem. |
Wanna bet? He's been a vocal supporter of the drug war even during his years of drug use.
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People on the left will probably now see a champion on the right for moderation when pursuing drug offenders. This has got to help their cause. |
That would be true if he isn't an unapologetic hypocrite, don't hold your breath. I used to think Rush had a semblance of honor but this revelation and his expressed desire to help authorities go after his suppliers is calling even that into question. He truly will be a rat if he tries to get others caught...
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Also, think about this. To the extent that Rush's audience would have advocated jail time for first-time drug abusers, they will no longer do so given that their hero himself as a drug addict. |
That would ascribe consistency to them as well... But he isn't a "first time abuser", he's been using for years. He's a first timer wrt the courts only...
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Q Cubed
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t3h y3ll0w p3ril
Apr 1999
time: 23:31
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i don't care what rush's excuse is. or what his rightist defenders excuse is. or his compatriot cheerleaders, for whom anybody on the right can do no wrong, because, surpise surprise, they're always right, unlike those slanderous liberals who never use logic and hate america. really, i don't give a damn.
he did drugs. those painkillers are prescription for a reason--they're highly addictive; some are actually synthetic opiates/opiate-derived--that's why they're so addictive. guess why oxycontin is called hillbilly heroin? because oxycontin contains opiates, much like heroin.
he got addicted. he wanted more. he broke the law to get more. it's that plain and simple.
now, he probably won't go to jail. why? one could argue it's because of the relaxed-penalty supporters, but if you want the plain and simple truth, it'll be because of who he is. he's rich. he's famous. he's got powerful friends. he can hire the best lawyers money can buy. politics will have very little to do with it, unless he decides to take the route so many other drug addicts are forced to take: i.e., the public defender. which, and i doubt you'll disagree, he won't do.
when he gets through this, and he gets back on the air, as he will, he just might have changed his mind about addicts. sad, isn't it, how a lot of rightist blowhards soften their stance only when it hits home: look at cheney and gay rights, much to the aggravation of the evangelical right.
i suppose it's pointless to tell the left to stfu and take the high road, and not attack rush during this time. i also suppose it's pointless to tell his sycophants and colleagues to stfu and take a good hard look at themselves: if they *****ed at all about clinton, or any other leftist about drug use, they have no ****ing right to complain about the left tearing rush apart here--they need to get off of their ****ing moral high-horse, because they are surely not holier-than-they.
i suppose it's too much to ask from anyone at all to just stfu, pray for that sorry-assed bastard, and hope that he gets off of that disgusting habit. taking joy in someone else's sickness... 
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Jack_www
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I have heard that people addicted to the pain killers that Rush was addicted to have lost their hearing. I think that this was the real reasion behind Rush's hearing loss. But the few times I have heard him on the radio as of late he has not really been disscussing the drug issue, and focus more on politics. Yes he may be a hypocrite when it comes to drug issue, but does not mean what he has said is correct or not correct.
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Jack_www
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Originally posted by Berzerker
He is a hypocrite, and that's what we're discussing, not if the drug war is correct. But this matter does expose more than Limbaugh's hypocrisy, it also exposes the hypocrisy of many who support the drug war. Now we hear 'tough on crime' conservatives expressing compassion for addicts because one of their own is an addict. And what happened to "drug users support terrorists"? Was Rush making this argument while he was using illegal drugs? hmm...the government and many of his friends and allies were making that argument... |
I was just pointing that out because a lot of people like to attack people instead of the issues. As for Rush I dont know what should happen to him. I dont think he will have an easy time kicking his addiction to pain killers. I heard that he has tried to get off of them twice before and failed. I have heard a lot of radio talk show hosts hopping for the best for him, because they know him personaly and Rush helped them in the bussiness. Others that dont know him have been going over the issue a lot.
With the "drug users usport terrorist" this is mainly the case with cociane and other type drugs. And Rush is not addicted to cociane, he his addicted to precription drugs. I have also heard conservatives talk show host condeming Rush for what he has done.
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11-10-2003 08:11
That was a cyst which, coincidently, did not prevent him from playing high school football but did prevent him from "defending his country" from the N Vietnamese. 
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