22-10-2003 23:35									#31
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quote: Originally posted by FlameFlash Interesting... So why are iPods some of the most popular MP3 players? Don't they hold a rather large share of the personal digital music player market?

Because they're cool.

	23-10-2003 00:28									#32
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quote: Originally posted by FlameFlash Interesting... So why are iPods some of the most popular MP3 players? Don't they hold a rather large share of the personal digital music player market?

Because they appeal to Mac people and trendy tw*ts.

quote: Also, what are the copy protections on WMA?

Same as what you can do with FairPlay.

	23-10-2003 02:55									#33
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Apple updated itunes to 4.1.1 today in response to complaints that it caused problems for some Win2K users (a software conflict with old CDE authoring software).

That's a nice quick response.

	23-10-2003 03:35									#34
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quote: Originally posted by Agathon That's a nice quick response.

Yeah, unlike MS's slow responses to fix Windows security bugs.

	23-10-2003 04:14									#35
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quote: Originally posted by Mr. Nice Guy Yeah, unlike MS's slow responses to fix Windows security bugs.

Windows is so ****ed that the fixes create yet more problems.

	23-10-2003 07:56									#36
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quote: Originally posted by Mr. Nice Guy Yeah, unlike MS's slow responses to fix Windows security bugs.

Last time I checked upgrading WMP didn't BSOD all Win2K systems on install.

Finding and patching bugs that given fifty specific conditions under certain environments in a OS with 40M lines of code is a helluva lot more complex than a simple music playing program crashing an entire major OS distribution on install.

It's a prime example of Apple having absolutely crap beta testing techniques.

	24-10-2003 06:27									#37
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quote: cause they appeal to Mac people and trendy tw*ts.

Ah, but you can't deny it.

quote: Same as what you can do with FairPlay

I'm not familiar with FairPlay, can you enlighten?

quote: It's a prime example of Apple having absolutely crap beta testing techniques.

And how many companies do like what just happened with Apple to patch some game that the bug should have been caught in beta?

	24-10-2003 06:33									#38
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quote: Originally posted by FlameFlash Ah, but you can't deny it.

Can't deny what? iPods appeal to A&F, Diesel-jeans type people, and Mac heads. It's obvious.

quote: I'm not familiar with FairPlay, can you enlighten?

You can restrict what computers can play them, for how long they can be played, how many times they can be played, how many times they can be burned, how many times you can transfer them to another computer or device, etc.

quote: And how many companies do like what just happened with Apple to patch some game that the bug should have been caught in beta?

Companies that do that obviously have crap beta testing techniques, as well.

	24-10-2003 06:41									#39
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quote: Originally posted by Asher Can't deny what? iPods appeal to A&F, Diesel-jeans type people, and Mac heads. It's obvious.

So you're saying that 30% (half are Windows users) of all MP3 players sold on the market are bought by that kind of people?!?!

quote: Companies that do that obviously have crap beta testing techniques, as well.

	24-10-2003 06:48									#40
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quote: Originally posted by Mr. Nice Guy So you're saying that 30% (half are Windows users) of all MP3 players sold on the market are bought by that kind of people?!?!

Absolutely. I see them all the time on campus, it's a generalization that has never failed me.

MP3 players are rather expensive by most people's tastes, and Apple's MP3 player is the most expensive and also has the worst battery life and smallest amount of features. But it is chic. Hence, the people who buy style over substance are more apt to buy the iPod, hence the A&F/Diesel Jeans crowd and Mac users.

	24-10-2003 06:57									#41
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http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2003...019030926.shtml

	24-10-2003 07:04									#42
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I'm sorry, what does that have to do with anything seeing as it hasn't happened yet?

	24-10-2003 07:08									#43
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quote: Originally posted by Asher I'm sorry, what does that have to do with anything seeing as it hasn't happened yet?

fallacy

	24-10-2003 07:10									#44
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quote: Originally posted by Mr. Nice Guy fallacy

What is false?

Just because Jobs says he'd love to have a $100 player but "doesn't know how" to make it, doesn't say anything about the current market situation.

	24-10-2003 07:15									#45
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Steve Jobs: We’re working on the next step.

If anyone can figure it out, it's Apple.

	24-10-2003 07:18									#46
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Of course they're working on it. Why wouldn't they be?

But what does that have to do with today's market condition?

	24-10-2003 07:24									#47
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quote: Originally posted by Asher Of course they're working on it. Why wouldn't they be? But what does that have to do with today's market condition?

C'mon Asher. I'm not that dumb. But perhaps you are.

	24-10-2003 07:28									#48
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That was both lame and sad on so many levels.

	24-10-2003 07:29									#49
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No, actually it's the other way around.

	24-10-2003 07:32									#50
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Sad and lame? Sure, that works for me.

So assume I'm a dumbass, tell me about Jobs' desire to eventually build a $100 iPod relating to today's market condition.

	24-10-2003 07:36									#51
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Do I have to explain everything to you?!

No, I'm not going to. Figure it out. Reply when you have the right answer.

	24-10-2003 07:37									#52
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Just who do you think you're fooling?

Here's a tip: You're nowhere near being the brightest person on these boards, so don't think you can try to pull elementary stuff like this without nearly everyone seeing what you're trying to do, and laughing at you.

	24-10-2003 07:53									#53
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quote: Originally posted by Asher Just who do you think you're fooling? Here's a tip: You're nowhere near being the brightest person on these boards, so don't think you can try to pull elementary stuff like this without nearly everyone seeing what you're trying to do, and laughing at you.

It is elementary, Asher, and you're missing it.

	24-10-2003 08:05									#54
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Asher - Why don't you **** off back to wrecking the OT forum instead of spoiling the mac forum here.

You just come here to troll and post yet more BS. Piss off.

	24-10-2003 08:07									#55
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quote: Originally posted by Mr. Nice Guy It is elementary, Asher, and you're missing it.

Because it doesn't exist.

quote: Asher - Why don't you **** off back to wrecking the OT forum instead of spoiling the mac forum here. You just come here to troll and post yet more BS. Piss off.

I see you haven't quite figured out how to use the ignore list yet...

I come here because my name routinely comes up here in a rather negative light.

I figure if you guys are treating it as an off-topic, and then take it one step further when you constantly discuss technology here, you should expect off-topic technology geeks to take interest.

If you'd all like to continue your circle jerk with no more realitiy checks, take your spam to MacRumours.com or MacAddict.com or some other fan site.

Otherwise put up and shut up.

	24-10-2003 08:08									#56
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And I must say, everything was quite civil until you arrived.

Perhaps it is you that is the problem?

	24-10-2003 08:19									#57
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quote: Originally posted by Asher Can't deny what? iPods appeal to A&F, Diesel-jeans type people, and Mac heads. It's obvious.

Heh, can't deny that, but you stepped around my point: That Apple made a successful product.

quote: You can restrict what computers can play them, for how long they can be played, how many times they can be played, how many times they can be burned, how many times you can transfer them to another computer or device, etc.

I wasn't clear: how does Windows set up the FairPlay on WMA files? What are the restrictions/allowances?

quote: Companies that do that obviously have crap beta testing techniques, as well.

Can't against argue that.

	24-10-2003 08:25									#58
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quote: Originally posted by FlameFlash Heh, can't deny that, but you stepped around my point: That Apple made a successful product.

Oh, of course.

quote: I wasn't clear: how does Windows set up the FairPlay on WMA files? What are the restrictions/allowances?

Windows doesn't set up DRM on the WMA files.

The restrictions/allowances vary depending on the music store you choose. There's a variety of stores to choose from, rather than just one like on the Mac.

	24-10-2003 08:26									#59
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Jesus, we need a mod.