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Nov 2002
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I'm gonna make a pilgrimage to the motherland of Caucasia and learn the whiteman's native tongue.
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LDiCesare
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La Ferté sous Jouarre France
Jan 2001
time: 05:31
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Hi fellow conlanger!
I wonder how you would say things like "who/which". Your relatives are only of type "that". There are differences between the various relatives. It's mostly direct/indirect object or subject, but in your case, I miss the subject / direct obejct part:
The man who talks (subject)
The man that I talk about (indirect object)
The man that I see (direct object - difference direct / indirect doesn't show well in English - in French que/dont).
Your grammar remains very English. You are just changing the way verbs are treated and the order of the words. Whatare the tenses, for instance? It looks like you have present and past.
If you really want to make a different grammar, check conlangs like all-noun, or lojban. These have quite funny grammars. Mine includes things like no pronoun, relative pronoun usually translated as 'parenthesis' (subject) or a dedicated verb (object), 4 pasts, 4 futures, 2 present tenses. It really requires thinking in a different way to speak in such a tongue, also because there are intentional omissions in the vocabulary (some concepts don't exist in that language). Just ideas.
Beware also that you say all syllabas are CV, but your language name starts with a vowel, so that is not true...
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Xapina Matanaka
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We'd love to have all of you share your languages on our conlang board, the Zompist phpBB. The more the merrier!
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civman2000
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of the Martian Empire
Jun 2001
time: 23:31
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Hi fellow conlanger!
I wonder how you would say things like "who/which". Your relatives are only of type "that". There are differences between the various relatives. It's mostly direct/indirect object or subject, but in your case, I miss the subject / direct obejct part:
The man who talks (subject)
The man that I talk about (indirect object)
The man that I see (direct object - difference direct / indirect doesn't show well in English - in French que/dont). |
At first I considered making separate ones but decided to keep them all the same. Also, I may be confused but AFAIK all English relatives are the same in regard to their ability to replace different parts of teh sentence...maybe there's some difference between that and which, but I think that may be just prescribed.
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Your grammar remains very English. You are just changing the way verbs are treated and the order of the words. Whatare the tenses, for instance? It looks like you have present and past. |
True, much of the basic things are the same. The tenses are present (unmarked), past (ed), and future (il). All three can also be in perfect or progressive forms. In this respect the language is very much like English.
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If you really want to make a different grammar, check conlangs like all-noun, or lojban. These have quite funny grammars. Mine includes things like no pronoun, relative pronoun usually translated as 'parenthesis' (subject) or a dedicated verb (object), 4 pasts, 4 futures, 2 present tenses. It really requires thinking in a different way to speak in such a tongue, also because there are intentional omissions in the vocabulary (some concepts don't exist in that language). Just ideas. |
I intended for this language to at least be somewhat realistic as a real language, though I'm pretty sure having postpositions and yet having modifiers follow heads is very contradictory syntactically. A language of all nouns is, simply, inhuman. Some of your other ideas though do sound nice.
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Beware also that you say all syllabas are CV, but your language name starts with a vowel, so that is not true... |
Well, technically that's true, but in every linguistic description I've seen it's assumed that the given syllable structure is the most complex that is allowed and that all simpler structures are also present.
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We'd love to have all of you share your languages on our conlang board, the Zompist phpBB. The more the merrier! |
Registering right now, I've been interested in this sort of thing ever since I took a linguistics class over the summer!
Last edited by civman2000 on 25-10-2003 at 06:43
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Cor
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Originally posted by Shi Huangdi
My reccomendation: Go outside more. Get a life. |
You know what's funny about that get a life stuff? When people spend their lives telling others to get a life for doing something that interests them and actually uses their intellect.
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headhunter
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Originally posted by Mercator
Maybe you should invest your time in trying to learn one of the many languages of the world that is going extinct as we speak. |
Dumbass. Maybe he can't get to anywhere where he could do that? Did that thought ever cross your mind, you ignorarius!
We just like creating our own languages, if you think that's stupid, then just leave us alone.
:leaves:
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LDiCesare
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La Ferté sous Jouarre France
Jan 2001
time: 05:31
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though I'm pretty sure having postpositions and yet having modifiers follow heads is very contradictory syntactically. |
Actually, there are real languages with many postpositions, including some which use lots of consonants as affixes( I can't remember if it's Hungarian) and people still seem able to talk the language.
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headhunter
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Yes, it's Hungarian. Also Finnish, Saami, and most other Uralic languages. The Altaic family is also fairly heavy into that area.
And, postpositions and head-modifier order are very common. They tend to agree with each other.
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civman2000
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of the Martian Empire
Jun 2001
time: 23:31
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Dumbass. Maybe he can't get to anywhere where he could do that? Did that thought ever cross your mind, you ignorarius!
We just like creating our own languages, if you think that's stupid, then just leave us alone.
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Thank you for defending me, but you could've done so more civilly  .
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Actually, there are real languages with many postpositions, including some which use lots of consonants as affixes( I can't remember if it's Hungarian) and people still seem able to talk the language. |
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Yes, it's Hungarian. Also Finnish, Saami, and most other Uralic languages. The Altaic family is also fairly heavy into that area.
And, postpositions and head-modifier order are very common. They tend to agree with each other. |
I know they exist and I know it does fit some with head-modifier, but constructions like N1-PostP1 N2-PostP2 that would be translated into english as PostP1 N1 PostP2 N2 seem very awkward because PostP1 seems to intervene in the middle of the positional relationship of N1 and N2-PostP2 (as in "pigA dogAde Ade", "my dog's pig", or "pig dog-of I-of", the first "of" really sounds awkwardly placed...). Also, the only postpositional language I know any of (Japanese) is a 99% head-last language.
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