20-03-2004 03:33									#31
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Interesting.

quote: Greetings Arrian, We will indeed be reaching the industrial age soon. In truth we should reach it this turn (720ad). We obviously do not know what it is we will receive, but rest assured we are willing to trade it with you (unless it's Steam Power of course since you already have that). Basically what we'd be looking for in return are luxury options and gold. I've discussed with Sleepy in the past that we'd like to build up options to call in for 20-turn luxuries in the future when we will be needing them (after our aqueducts are built ). Also, if you are interested, Vox still has Democracy to trade to you if you are interested. The original deal we'd proposed of 3 luxury options and 100 gold fell through because of the gold request, but we'd be willing to negotiate if your team is interested again. Perhaps a 5gpt deal instead of a straight 100 gold, or perhaps a 4th tech option instead of the gold would work. Regards, Rhoth

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quote: Hey, thanks for the fast reply! Gold and luxuries on demand sound good to me - we can work with that. Get back in touch when you know which tech you got, ok? While we may be interested in demo at some point in the future, we aren't now, sorry. We can't really afford the anarchy, and the benifit would be minimal anyway. Our empire is very small, after all (you know the feeling, I'm sure). -Arrian

So apparently they're allowed to trade normally. Silly Lego! But hey, I'll take it!

	22-03-2004 04:35									#32
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quote: Thanks Rhoth, we figured already you got Nationalism. Please let me take it to the team, to see what we can offer. DeepO quote: Greetings to Arrian, asleepathewheel, DeepO and the ever growing membership of Gathering Storm, Pursuant to Arrian's question the other day regarding trading for our free tech we have indeed received Nationalism and we would be willing to trade it to you. We would like to see what your team is willing to offer. Our interests lie in future options for 20-turn luxury deals and gold. We look forward to hearing from you. Regards, Rhoth

	24-03-2004 23:16									#33
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quote: Thanks Roth, let me take it to my forum please. We'll answer you soon. DeepO quote: Greetings to Arrian, asleepathewheel, Cort Haus, DeepO, and the many fine people of Gathering Storm. Last week we discussed the possibilities of a trade for nationalism and we had sent back that we were interested in gold and luxuries. However we have had more time to think about it and we are interested in the technology of electricity. If you are currently researching electricity we would like to trade for it. Our rock needs irrigation and it would be a while otherwise before we would be able to research that technology (we were really hoping for Steam Power for our free tech. ) We realize that electricity is more expensive than nationalism (by 20 tech points) so in return we propose that we would include democracy with the deal and in return you would include one 20-turn future luxury option. There would of course be a 20-turn no-trade agreement attached to the trade on both our sides. Let me know what your team thinks about this. We look forward to hearing from you. Regards, Rhoth

	24-03-2004 23:51									#34
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Heh, got the same thing, and sent a bit more of a response:

quote: Rhoth, Heh, interesting. I just posted a proposal to pay you in gold and luxuries for nationalism in our private forum. I guess I'll scrap that then. No biggie, since I was pulling numbers from thin air anyway. I personally prefer tech-for-tech trades, so in general I like your idea, although the specifics may need further negotiation. I'll get back to you on it. We might, in fact, be interested in Democracy down the road a bit, so it's possible your idea could work. I agree we would want a 20-turn no-trade clause on the deal. -Arrian

	05-04-2004 22:36									#35
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quote: My apologies Rhoth... I think we overlooked this. We have been going through some problems with diplo personnel lately, all our ambassadors are swamped in RL issues I'll try to see if anyone is active. DeepO quote: Greetings to Arrian, asleepathewheel, DeepO and the many fine people of Gathering Storm. I haven't heard back from you yet so I'm just inquiring about the status of the possible nationalism deal that we had discussed a little while back. Has your team voted on it yet? We look forward to hearing from you. Regards, Rhoth

	05-04-2004 22:42									#36
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Ah I certainly understand. Not a problem.

Thanks for the quick response.

Rhoth

	08-04-2004 18:01									#37
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PM to Rhoth:

quote: Rhoth, Sorry for our unresponsiveness on this. We are, in fact, interested in trading Electricity for Nationalism... just not yet. We're not real keen on devaluing the tech yet. We've been having problems of late with tech deals... with a particular team, and it's complicating all that we do. I will ask my team to try and figure out when we will be ready to do the deal. I don't think it should be more than a few turns, but I'm not positive on that... sorry. -Arrian

	08-04-2004 23:17									#38
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Response from Rhoth:

quote: Thanks Arrian. We'll wait for your response on when you're ready to trade. A few turns is fine. Hopefully it won't be too long though. We're itching to finally squeeze some water out of our rock. Regards, Rhoth

	10-04-2004 22:16									#39
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Sent to Rhoth:

quote: Rhoth, Our forum stays very quiet... too bad. But I think we let you wait long enough for a response, for which I apologize. Normally I'm not an ambassador, so forgive me if this is not worded perfectly, but here's our proposal: We're not exactly interested in democracy, as we explained to you before. We wouldn't gain much by switching govs, and can't afford the anarchy, even if it's only one turn. We are interested in Nationalism, though. We offer you Electricity as a one on one trade for Nationalism. However, seeing as Electricity is worth a lot more beakers (base cost being 3360 beakers instead of Nationalism at 2880, and Nationalism has devalued by trading it to other teams), and you will be the second to receive Electricity (after ourselves), we ask for a favor: To uphold, instead of the now more or less standard 20-turn NDAs on techs, a 30-turn NDA on Electricity. This should ensure to us that we have ample opportunity to trade our tech around. I've sent you Electricity unaccepted in the save, if you offer Nationalism in return and accept, you can have Elec in 2 turns from now (meaning your workers only need to wait one turn before they can irrigate) So, would you be interested in the following deal: We give Electricity, which you promise to not trade or give away for another 30 turns after receiving it (meaning not before turn 227 (we're currently at 195). In return, we acquire Nationalism, which we do not trade or give away in 20 turns, meaning before turn 217. If this satisfies you, just reply to our offer of Elec with Nat, accept the deal, and send it our way. It is the fastest way I can think of that gives you Electricity. And frankly, I think it's a good deal for you, or at least among the best we can offer. kind regards, DeepO

	10-04-2004 22:36									#40
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Thanks Rhoth.

I understand about democracy, but right now, nor in the near future, do I see us switching govs. Maybe later, how knows...

Communism seems an interesting tech for the police stations, but we again face the same problem as with democracy: our empire is too small to benefit from lesser corruption. But I guess we would be more interested in communism then in democracy, that's for sure. So let us know when you research it, and maybe we can work something out.

BTW, if you're interested in our lux, I'm sure we would be willing to trade them to you for gpt, as it seems there is not a lot left to trade with. Now that you will have irrigation, your empire might need lux soon...

DeepO

quote: Greetings to DeepO and the many fine people of Gathering Storm. We at Vox Controli do agree to this deal and the 30 turn NDA. We will not trade electricity before the turn you specified. I will send you nationalism-accepted on this turn as response. Regarding democracy, one of the reasons I was trying to dangle that as trade bait was that the NDA's we had received from our other trades were expiring soon and wanted to finish being the "Purveyors of democracy to the world" before one of the other teams tried to trade it to you. But if you're no interested in it at all then not a problem. I'll stop dangling it as trade bait. On that note, we are researching communism right now. If you're team is interested, please give me a holler and we can work something out. Thanks and pleasure doing business with you. Rhoth

	10-04-2004 23:06									#41
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quote: Rhoth, I don't know what value we should place on luxuries, we have never done that before. Let me check with the rest of our members... and please remind us if we forget to get back to you again, our diplo can be a mess sometimes DeepO quote: And thank you. It will be several more turns before we're finished with research of communism. Our little island doesn't allow for research as quickly as the 'Big 4' which is why we head for the optional techs. When we get a little closer I'll contact you again. Regarding the luxury, we would definitely be interested in dealing for it. Not quite yet, but definitely in the near future. How much would you want for it? Regards, Rhoth

	17-06-2004 14:33									#42
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quote: Registered: Feb 2003 Posts: 3334 Vox Controli communism/luxury deal Greetings to Arrian, asleepathewheel, and DeepO of Gathering Storm. I apologize for not getting back to you sooner. I had honestly forgotten about the potential trade. In any case Vox Controli agrees to your proposal of two 20-turn luxury options for the technology of communism. We will also agree not to re-trade either of the luxuries and request a 20 turn NDA on communism. If this deal is still agreeable with your team then we can send you communism-accepted on our next turn. However, we are not quite ready to receive the luxuries yet, but we will soon. When we are ready for one or both I will contact you and ask you to send a luxury then. Pleasure doing business with you, Rhoth

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	17-06-2004 19:30									#43
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Me to Rhoth, something like this

quote: Sure, let us know when you need the luxes

	21-06-2004 20:00									#44
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quote: Whoops, sorry. That was my fault. I'll send it this turn. Rhoth

	13-08-2004 13:03									#45
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quote: Rhoth, It will be done. cheers, DeepO quote: Greetings to DeepO, Arrian, asleepathewheel and the many fine people of Gathering Storm. We at Vox Controli would like to request that one of the two luxury items that was a part of our tech deal not long ago be sent this coming turn. It doesn't matter which one. Thanks again and pleasure doing business with you. Rhoth

	14-12-2004 00:28									#46
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quote: To the fine, noble and excellent people of Vox Controlli, With the momentous geo-political changes occuring in the world, now seems a good time to renew and develop our friendship. Unfortunately we as a team are too exhausted from the demands and rigours of conflict to immediately enter into a dialogue with yourselves with the full focus we'd like. However, once we've had a RL breather and caught up with our lives a bit, we would be keen to open a dialogue with yourselves regarding the future and the possibility of a fruitful and peaceful partnership in the years ahead. Regards, Cort Haus, o.b.o Gathering Storm

	15-12-2004 13:56									#47
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quote: RE: Warm Greetings from Gathering Storm! Sorry I haven't gotten back to you lately. I've been pretty busy in RL. I'll try and get a formal response to you by the end of the week. Rhoth

	04-01-2005 09:27									#48
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quote: Greetings to Gathering Storm, We trust all is well with your team after finally getting a look at Lego's map this past turn. I have neglected to return your team's offer of continued peace and trade as I have been busy in RL and then forgot. Sorry about not getting back to you sooner. I'm sure it's obvious that we have been in Lego's camp, after all they did save us so long ago, but now they are essentially defunct Vox must look to the future and we would appreciate renewed relations with Gathering Storm. I'm not sure what all you had in mind, but perhaps we can discuss something soon. It's been awhile since our last trade, but we are in need of the final luxury we negotiated for all those months ago as the current deal is about to expire. If you would, please send another luxury to us next turn. Thanks, Rhoth of Vox Controli

	13-01-2005 20:37									#49
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quote: Hi Rhothaerill, Would Vox be interested in the technology of Radio, with a view to a deal with GS involving your free modern era tech? Regards, -Cort

	16-01-2005 21:06									#50
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quote: Hi Cort. As you know, I am now playing the turns for Vox while Rhoth takes a breather. Thanks for your recent offer of radio. We had lots. And we do not want to snub you. Therefore, I am sending our free tech of fission this turn, with the aim of being able to complete a deal for another tech. We were thinking of researching rocketry or computers next, and we may have a line on a deal one or both of those. I was hoping we could do a future trade for nuclear power. We are also interested in luxuries - as always. And to more serious issues. The old Lego lands. We acknowledge that we have no rights to ask for any part of Lego - however, if strengthening Vox, a third-rate world power, works for you in your longer-term plans, then we would be more than willing to talk about options. As to Lego - to-date, we have not heard what their plans are. If they ask for a Voxian city (which we can hardly afford), we would feel morally obligated to help them out given our history with them. Would this cause GS problems. They have not asked for it yet, nor communicated with us regarding their plans. To be honest, I'm not sure their hearts are into continuing with the game. So, we have much we can discuss, and obviously we have also engaged GoW on the last two matters as well. Looking forward to hearing from you. Cheers ...Beta .

	19-01-2005 01:55									#51
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quote: Hi Beta, Thank-you for your message, and for Fission. We sent Computers in reply, and would you be interested in Miniaturisation (our current project) in trade for your next research project? Regards, -Cort

	19-01-2005 14:22									#52
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from Beta

quote: Thanks Cort. The deal works for us. We will line up our next research project shortly and will let you know. Any thoughts on the Lego lands as raised in my last correspondence, or is this under discussion between you and GoW? Cheers, Beta.

my reply

quote: Yes, the Lego lands are still under discussion amongst GoW and GS. We'll get back to you on that one shortly.

	24-01-2005 02:44									#53
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quote: Hi Cort. Thanks for the deal. We are determining our next research project shortly, and would indeed be interested in a deal. We have provided assurances to GoW that we will not allow Lego to use Vox territory as a haven for attacks on GS and GoW. We provide the same assurances to you. We do really do not know what their plans are at this time. Regarding land, we have GoW's permission to settle anywhere NW of The Hive and City 17. We would like to get permission from you to settle anywhere NW of the city limits of Rain Slicker Emprium and the Hive. We can commit to not putting a city in the first row of tiles adjacent to the Rain Slicker Emporium border. If you do grant such permission, which would be very much appreciated, we would also ask that you pull back your scouts and mech infantry to allow us to move. Again, if this needs discussion, please let us know. I am available to discuss. Again, many thanks for the deal. We will keep you advised of our tech plans. And we look forward to hearing from you regarding our settlement proposal. Regards ...Beta.

	25-01-2005 04:34									#54
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quote: Hi Beta, I'm pleased to be able to report to you that GS have agreed, in conjunction with our allies GoW, to immediately cede to Vox the lands on the Isthmus & Hammer north-west of the parallel running from the tile Panama-Vox 223333 north eastwards to the Hammer at tile PV666622 and beyond to PV666663. We hope you enjoy your new accomodation On another matter, we understand that the mighty Voxian Academies have accumulated knowledge beyond the comprehension of humble Stormian Scholars, particularly in the field of Military Tradition. We bow to your great knowledge in this regard, and would dare to enquire whether this particular branch of enlightenment might be made available to add to our modest libraries. With the greatest regards, -Cort Haus

	25-02-2005 04:52									#55
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quote: Hi Beta, We trust that all the cats are healthy and happy, and that the Voxian people are enjoying the benefits of the additional feline company. I understand it is good for the blood-pressure. Would you have any objection to your friends and neighbours the Spanish learning the fine art of Fission, so magnificently discovered by the esteemed and revered Voxian luminaries? 'Tis but a technicality, but without our mutual friends Roleplay being acquainted with the technology, it would appear that we may have problems getting our Uranium back to Stormia. Regards, Cort Haus (PS - I'm away until tuesday, so if possible please cc Aeson if replying - thanks)

	30-03-2005 14:03									#56
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quote: Hi Rhoth, Are Vox interested in trading for Miniaturisation? Also, are you researching something yourselves that we might be interested in? Regards, -Cort

	31-03-2005 15:25									#57
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quote: Hi Cort, thanks for the offer. I'm not actually the leader of Vox anymore, just filling in as turn player for Beta while he's busy. I'll post this in the forum and Beta will get back to you. Rhoth

	07-04-2005 09:03									#58
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quote: To our friends at GS, This message finds us in a bit of a quandary. Lego has landed on our shores, offering a ROP. We have declined as the agreement we had for settling territory was not to help Lego out. So we won't help them, but we also don't have the firepower to finish them off without taking losses that we can't afford. I have no idea what Lego's plans are, but I just want to make sure that you know we are not helping them if they decide to strike into your territory. Thanks, Rhoth

	15-04-2005 00:08									#59
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quote: To GS and GoW from Vox To our friends in Glory of War and Gathering Storm, As I mentioned in the game discussion thread, one of our cities (Resurrection) has culture flipped to Lego. I've never seen that before with a nation having no cities and flipping a city, but that's neither here nor there. Vox has declared war on Lego and intends to take the city back (since AFAIK they can't give it back when they only have one city). We still don't intend to attack the stack they have in our lands though as we can't afford the manpower it would take. Unless they decide to attack us in a blaze of glory, though I've taken steps to see that doesn't cost us much if they do try that, then we will let them continue heading toward GoW lands on former Lego as that is what they seem to be doing. If they decide to hole up in Vox lands we would be amenable to a ROP. Rhoth