26-10-2003 16:13									#1
	I hate eMule. Support Apolyton, buy GURPS/ Alpha Centauri

I've never EVER EVER been able to download anything from it. As I enter, I share, like a good boy, all of the stuff I've got. And what do I get in return? Nada.

	26-10-2003 16:22									#2
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Ming why do you close my warez thread while this one is still open...

Azazel, i can download and burn it on CD for you

	26-10-2003 16:27									#3
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Because I am not talking about copyright infringement here, silly boy.

Muxec, this is a matter of principle.

Here kids, take all the stuff you need!

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	26-10-2003 16:32									#4
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emule sucks, but if you know a *certain site* than its not that bad.

Besides, that *certain site* is the best place for finding burnable console/PC games... so you really have no choice but to use eMule.

	26-10-2003 16:34									#5
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Use eDonkey instead

	26-10-2003 16:51									#6
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Like Asher said in that another thread, eMule is not for instant gratification. If you don't have the patience to wait, say, a week for a file, don't bother. The trick is putting several files on download at once, so that all those small trickles combine into a continuous big stream of bytes.

	26-10-2003 16:54									#7
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well, **** it, then.

What other p2p software is around?

	26-10-2003 17:01									#8
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quote: Originally posted by Kassiopeia Like Asher said in that another thread, eMule is not for instant gratification. If you don't have the patience to wait, say, a week for a file, don't bother. The trick is putting several files on download at once, so that all those small trickles combine into a continuous big stream of bytes.

Now, I'm a patient man, but there is no way in hell I am sitting for a week waiting for a 200mb file to download, when my broadband connection should be capable of downloading it in a few hours, tops. I find it amazing that, even with several hundred sources for a file I'm trying to download, that I can never get more than about 0.5k/s out of eMule.

	26-10-2003 17:10									#9
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Edonkey is the same system as Emule, and you will get the same results - only the GUI is differnet.

I have only used Edonkey on rare occasions, and I found that, for a download to begin it might take an hour or two, and 7-8 hours to get to normal speed. My usual numbers are like 5 kb/s down, and 300 kb/s up - people love downloading from me, I trust.

And yes, it's annoying to wait for so long. I can get a megabyte in under 10 seconds normally.

I can recommend DC++ for p2p - I have switched to it in the recent months. Upsides:

1. No queue system, and pretty much free will for you to do what you want.
2. A ton of content. By this, I don't mean the latest pirated games or software. DC++ is actually great for getting rare and legal content. I have found some interesting pictures and docs there... and quite a number of "gems". For instance, some of my favorite Soviet movies produced ~35 years ago in decent DivX format. Also, I am now the proud owner of the USSR Anthem MP3.

	26-10-2003 17:15									#10
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quote: eMule v0.29a Statistics Transfer Session ULL Ratio: 30.84 : 1

	26-10-2003 17:18									#11
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Session UL:DL 1:1.30
Cumulative UL:DL 1.1:10

:p

quote: Edonkey is the same system as Emule, and you will get the same results - only the GUI is differnet.

And it's bloaty, and it's got ads (iirc), and it's closed source. But the results shouldn't vary, yes.

quote: Now, I'm a patient man, but there is no way in hell I am sitting for a week waiting for a 200mb file to download, when my broadband connection should be capable of downloading it in a few hours, tops.

I usually download several ~200 megabyte files simultaniously, and if I have 10 downloads at 2.0 kB/s, my bandwidth is quite taken. Yes, it takes a week or two, but I _will_ get them sooner or later, and when I do, I'll have several files finished.

	26-10-2003 17:19									#12
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quote: Originally posted by Paul Hanson Now, I'm a patient man, but there is no way in hell I am sitting for a week waiting for a 200mb file to download, when my broadband connection should be capable of downloading it in a few hours, tops. I find it amazing that, even with several hundred sources for a file I'm trying to download, that I can never get more than about 0.5k/s out of eMule.

Exactly

I just use Kazaa. I don't get why people seem to complain so much about it. Works brilliantly for me (though I admit I don't download much).

	26-10-2003 17:20									#13
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quote: Originally posted by Azazel What other p2p software is around?

Try Bit Torrent.

	26-10-2003 17:22									#14
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quote: Originally posted by Kassiopeia if I have 10 downloads at 2.0 kB/s, my bandwidth is quite taken.

At 20 kb/s your bandwidth is taken? I can usually handle 20 times that amount and still have some room to spare for other apps...

I thought Finland was ahead of most of Europe in ICT...

	26-10-2003 17:32									#15
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eDonkey is something you should leave going in the background while you do other things. Leave it on 24/7 if you can, and have a dozen downloads going at once. The longer it's running the faster it'll go, as you slowly work your way up the queues. I just started up eDonkey for the morning and I'm geting about 10kb/s By the end of the day I'll probably be geting atleast 50kb/s, and posibly upwards of 160+ (that's what I was geting last night, but I finsihed a couple downloads since then) I don't leave it on 24/7 anymore because I sleep in the same room as my computer now, but I do have atleast half a dozen files going at any one time, and I finish something every day.


It also depends on how many leeches have attached themselves to a file, and how many dedicated sharers there are. New releases usually go really fast, because there's alot of people sharing it and the leeches haven't always discovered it yet. I can usually get new releases (use your imagination of what ) in a day or two. Likewise, porn tends to go pretty fast aswell, since that's always popular.

	26-10-2003 17:40									#16
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Oh, and something everyone can do to make it go faster for everyone: Clean up your shared files. Don't share a file that has thousands of sources when you have one that only has a dozen sources, you can also rearange the priority of certain files. If you want to 'power-share' a file that you're downloading and help it get finished, move everything you of your shared file for a while and all of your bandwidth go towards the files you're working on, which will help speed up the download for everyone - the more people you give your parts of the file to, the more people will be downloading parts you don't have, and the more sources you'll eventually have.

	26-10-2003 17:53									#17
	Lose 30 kilos (of popups)

I've had my emule on for 12 hours now...no sign of speeding up. Steady 13-14 kbps up and 1.8-3.0 kbps down...whats wrong

STATS
Upload capacity 39 KBps, limited to 14 - Download capacity 10 Mbps, limited to 300 KBps

Sharing 1301 files, with total size of 40.48 GB shared.

Cumulative UL: DL 39.80 GB, 46.77 GB

I've only had Emule for 2.5 months

Last edited by laurentius on 26-10-2003 at 18:11

	26-10-2003 17:53									#18
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If you go for big files, you generally have to be patient on P2P software. I am 24/7 on WinMX for more than a week now, and there is some software I still haven't finished to download (god curses people who rip their CDs themselves, and result in having tons of different versions of the same software).

For big files, the secret is to have many things you want to download. At the beginning of the week, when I had many wishes, I had 40 kb/s quite often. Now that I only need two files, I rarely get 5 kb/s

	26-10-2003 18:13									#19
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I only download big files (hardly ever download anything smaller than 80 megs, usually it's 200+ mb) and I feel Kazaa is still the best program to use, because it's the only p2p program I've found so far that gives me download times exceeding 20 kb/s (usually around 100kb/s or so, but sometimes up to as much as 400).

And yes, I always have whatever p2p program(s) I'm using running permanently in the background and always download several files at once -- the only way to go...

	26-10-2003 19:11									#20
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quote: Originally posted by Locutus And yes, I always have whatever p2p program(s) I'm using running permanently in the background and always download several files at once -- the only way to go...

Words of wisdom. If you have a permanent connection, that's the ticket

	26-10-2003 19:17									#21
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quote: Originally posted by Zopperoni Try Bit Torrent.

	26-10-2003 19:20									#22
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With Kazaa, I can't seem to get the high speeds that Locutus mentions on big files. Maybe 30kb/s, but not more than that normally.

BitTorrent is great. If you know where to look for the torrent shortcuts, that is. I don't still have many files downloaded from BT, but those that are, are awesome.

EMule is an additional pain in the butt when you're not running your comp 24/7. If you are, it's half decent, but if not...

Oh, and really, not all people want to wait for a week, even if they get several times during that.

My best speeds are: around 80 kb/s with Kazaa, but that's for a short period of time - 40kb/s best. Up to 700 kb/s with DC++, using local hubs. Only up to 20 kb/s with Emule, but few files in queue. And, up to 300 kb/s with BitTorrent from servers over the ocean.

Now, people download from me at no less than 100 kb/s at Kazaa and Emule, not to mention at least 600 kb/s on DC++, sometimes as much as 2 mb/s. Slackers.

	26-10-2003 19:23									#23
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quote: At 20 kb/s your bandwidth is taken? I can usually handle 20 times that amount and still have some room to spare for other apps... I thought Finland was ahead of most of Europe in ICT...

It is, in the cities. In a town of seven thousand, however, it costs 60 euros to have a 256/256 kbps DSL that doesn't even make it to 32 kB/s. The best I've seen eMule get to is 25 kB/s, often it just stays at 20.

I should be glad I have DSL, though, since many towns don't get even that, just ISDN or *shudder* 56K.

I could get a 1M/512k pipe in any bigger city for that money, easily. Luckily, I'll move to live in one when I go to university. In central Vaasa I could get a 8M/8M VDSL connection for something like 30 - 40 e/month. :|

	26-10-2003 19:26									#24
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quote: Originally posted by Solver not to mention at least 600 kb/s on DC++, sometimes as much as 2 mb/s

How is that possible? What is your connection?

	26-10-2003 19:38									#25
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I have had eMule running almost 24/7 since April 1st, and my upload/download ratio is: 1.75:1
I always leaves it on, even though I've got nothing to download. Whenever I set a file to download, I usually have it within a day or two... though this doesn't work with rare files of course... and such files I also often download... Not all of them finish though

	26-10-2003 19:42									#26
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UR - I get up to 10 mbit/sec for Latvian traffic, I'm connected via a high-speed LAN. Foreign traffic is usually between 500 and 700 kbit/sec - which translates to speeds of 80 KB/s and such when downloading.

Yes, I have the best connection in my backwards country and am proud of it.

	26-10-2003 19:42									#27
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Notice that Bit Torrent is excellent for new files, but you're in for a big disappointment if you're looking for older files.

To those who don't know: When you fire up bit torrent, you're only sharing one file, the very one you are downloading. You take very small bits of data from thousands other people, and you send very small bits of data to thousand other. There are a few servers which are dedicated to serving the entire file, but you are mostly taking your data from other users.

Once your download is complete and you close the window, you don't share the file anymore.

Such concept is great for recent files experiencing a hype, but it is bad if you're looking for obscure or old files.

	26-10-2003 19:53									#28
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Thanks for the info Spiff, now I know I won't have to bother with it

	26-10-2003 20:04									#29
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quote: Originally posted by Spiffor Such concept is great for recent files experiencing a hype, but it is bad if you're looking for obscure or old files.

That's true.

But porn is always good

* Urban Ranger gets thrown around the flat when the SO sees my post

	26-10-2003 20:13									#30
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quote: Originally posted by Solver UR - I get up to 10 mbit/sec for Latvian traffic, I'm connected via a high-speed LAN. Foreign traffic is usually between 500 and 700 kbit/sec - which translates to speeds of 80 KB/s and such when downloading. Yes, I have the best connection in my backwards country and am proud of it.

That's a great connection.