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Out of curiosity, could you write the name of your country and wether or not you're having school parades during your national holidays? School parades is where each school parades on the streets and the best student of each carries the flag.
Something like that.

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You can just write the name of your country and wether there is a school parade involving the flag during your national holidays. A simple yes or no would do. I'll explain when if I can get an article in english.

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No. That would cause too much of a stir with people like Dissident and Che.
Separation of State and State.
You know how it is when all get to voice an opinion.

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Ok. Thanks for your answer Sloww

What about other countries?

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What does the Greek national Holiday celebrate?

In France:
14th July celebrations display military force and fireworks. They are in the middle of school vacation, and no student takes part.

However, schools can provide a flag carrier on other occasion, in local celebrations (of 11 Nov. for example, the end of WW1). It's on a per school / per town basis AFAIK.

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Hi paiktis,

I have never seen anything of the sort. In fact, except for the gay pride festivals, I've never even heard of a parade of substantial size roaming the city. And honouring the best student in any way would be an extremely un-Danish thing to do for sure

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I live in the U.S.

We have parades for various things. Many aren't done by schools though.

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Ok. So
US, Danemark is a no.

Thank you for answering

Spiffor, so France is also no in national holidays. Could you elaborate a bit more about the local holidays? Do schools take part and there is a flag carrier? Have I understood it correctly?

The Greek national holidays are two:
28 October: Refusal to join the Axis and surrender to Italy. It is the "OXI" day. (pronounced "Ohi" which means "No" in Greek. That was the reply to Italy's utlimatum).
25 March: the beggining of struggle of liberation from the Ottoman Empire.


What about school parades on National holidays involving a flag in other countries?

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It must just be you weirdo Greeks

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Originally posted by paiktis22
Spiffor, so France is also no in national holidays. Could you elaborate a bit more about the local holidays? Do schools take part and there is a flag carrier? Have I understood it correctly?

There are several 'Republican' holidays (others come of catholic holidays), and the big one is 14 July, to celebrate the French Revolution, when the Bastille was taken.
Others are 8 May (end of WW2) and 11 November (End of WW1). All three have a state-sponsored celebration displaying troops on the Champs Elysées. But they have also local celebrations, which are managed by the city councils. These celebrations are similar from one town to another, but they can have some variation. One of these variation is the presence of pupils carrying flags and giving flowers to the local Memorial to the dead.

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One of these variation is the presence of pupils carrying flags and giving flowers to the local Memorial to the dead.


OK, I see. Do you know what are the criteria by which the pupils are chosen to carry the flag? Does it have anything to do with their performance in school? And do they need to be French citizens? ( = to have the French nationality). You propably don't know because if I understood correctly they must varry from place to place and are not as big as the main 14th July one.



And I'm still expecting answers from other countries

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It must just be you weirdo Greeks


I know that we are the exception or amongst very few countries in Europe to do them. I'm looking to see what goes on in other countries (preferably with large numbers of immigrant children like every western European country). Allegendly Germany and Austria have school parades with flag carriers but I'm not sure.

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I mean, sure, we have parades--Independence Day Parade would be the national holiday parade--but we don't have schoolgirls in tight shirts doing them.

(Come to think of it that's not a bad idea )

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We have something similar on our national day 17th of May in Norway. Well, it's quite different actually and I'm to tired to describe it properly right now.
But I guess it's a little less formal than what you have in Greece (no uniforms and
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the best student of each carries the flag.
would be unthinkable here.)

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Gangerolf thanks for your answer So you don't have school parades involing the flag, right? I'm particularly interested in the later. Correct me if I'm wrong.

So we have no for: US, Denmark, Norway, France (with some exceptions).

Waiting for more answers, thanks

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and first person who posts a picture of Ariana Huffington gets ***** slapped

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Well I guess you could call them "school parades involving the flag".

google found some well-formulated info




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CELEBRATE NORWAY'S CONSTITUTION DAY
17th of May - Syttende Mai

The 17th of May, Norwegian Constitution Day, is mainly the children’s day. Throughout the country children are parading to celebrate that Norway is an independent country. In contrast to many other countries that celebrate their constitution with military parades, the people of Norway have chosen to show their pride and hope for the future through their children.


Schoolchildren in the whole country are parading on the morning of the 17th of May, regardless of weather conditions, with the Norwegian flag in their hands. They walk behind colorful banners that represent either their school or their class. The 17th of May has always been celebrated this way, except during the second world war when nationalistic activities were forbidden by the Germans. In the major cities it is not unusual for the children's parade to be divided into several parades since there are so many participants.

In front of the parade you will find many large Norwegian flags, usually carried by scouts or older students. Most of the schools have their own school orchestra, playing great music in the parade. The children walk behind their school banners, shouting "Hurrah for the 17th of May", blowing horns and singing national songs.

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Diss, maybe in a different thread


Gangerolf, alright. I see. Thank you. That fulfills my criteria (national holiday, school parade, flag) but the best pupil doesn't necessairily get the flag. Do you perhaps know how the ones who will carry the first big flags are chosen? Also what is the % of immigrants in Norway approximatively please?

So it is

No=US, Danemark, France (with some exceptions)
Yes=Greece, Norway.

Again thanks for taking the time to find this info.

Waiting for other countries

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Gangerolf, alright. I see. Thank you. That fulfills my criteria (national holiday, school parade, flag) but the best pupil doesn't necessairily get the flag.


Everyone gets to carry a flag

quote:
Do you perhaps know how the ones who will carry the first big flags are chosen?


"Volunteers". Carrying the big flags weren't really popular from what I remember from school. They're heavy, you have to walk more or less in line with the other flag bearers to your left and right. It's more fun to walk in the back with a smaller flag.

quote:
Also what is the % of immigrants in Norway approximatively please?


between 5 and 7% IIRC. In Oslo it's something like 20%.

What do you need this for, btw?

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Alright, thanks, I'm covered

There is a controversy risen again about this in Greece because of the repeated refusal of a small remote community's parents association somewhere in Northern Greece to let a foreign pupil and best student in his school to be a flag carrier on the 28th because he doesn't have the Greek citizenship and, they say the flag is a national symbol. The law says that the best pupil, irrelevant of citizenship, will carry the Greek flag if he/she wants to. Actually it's not so much controversy but anger towards this community's parents association for trying to block him from being the flag carrier. All the other pupils who happen not to have the Greek citizenship and are the best pupils at their schools will get to raise the Greek flag, since all of them want to and noone in the school communities where they are objects.



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The Odysseas Tsenai case was characterized as an unacceptable intervention with racist characteristics, which cannot be accepted and has obstructed people who feel like Greeks to express themselves, by Government Spokesperson Christos Protopapas. Specifically, responding to related questions, Mr. Protopapas stressed that we must all condemn such phenomena and called all social and political powers to mobilize in order to stop and isolate unacceptable racist phenomena, because such behaviors befit Greece”.

Commenting on Mr. Pagalos' proposal on giving Od. Tsenai Greek citizenship and Mr. Constatopoulos' proposal for the formation of an inter-party committee on the issue, Mr. Protopapas characterized them as interesting proposals and he stressed that the government policy on the incorporation of immigrants into Greek society was known: “We have made the decision to incorporate economic refugees, who have stated their presence, to the Greek society and economy, that is why we gave them green cards and why we said they should work on equal terms with Greeks, their children go to Greek schools and receive healthcare in our hospitals. We either have to accept this and live together or we have to begin creating ghettos.




Due to this controversy I was wondering what goes on in other countries.


And still do, so still waiting for more answers from other countries as well

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Did you HAVE TO bring this up?

It doesn't matter what you think, it doesn't matter what I think, it doesn't matter what whatevere politician or journalist in this country thinks.

The only thing that matters is that election day is closing and PASOK is using this neat little trick to put the Right in afight with itself. They are hoping that perhaps the fascists will rise to much more than 2%, thus putting a dent in NewDemocracy's 6% lead. Plus it's the best disorientation material ever, just in time when everybody and his nephew are going on a strike. That's why the Minister of Education does not issue a direct order, allowing the boy to carry the flag. They don't want to look like they're arrogantly ignoring the voice of local communities, while in the same time, they are keeping the issue up until the very end.

Because, if you really think about it, why should we care if that particular boy walks a km or so carrying a stick with that particular piece of cloth on it? Only if we start thinking like this will we get rid of all our racism and bigotry.

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The PASOK's stance on this is well known. It could just force the Nea Mechanionia's parents association to accept the law - but you can create more of the negative effect by doing this. I'm sure you'll agree.

Also don't forget that this is the 2nd time this phenomenon has appeared in Nea Mechanionia. And the previous time there was no elections on the horizon.

So while I more than agree with you that PASOK's using it to get the right wing to fight itself, I think that this is not where the interest in this subject begins or ends.

And no, I don't agree with you that the only way to get rid of our racism and bigotry is to just see the flag as a piece of cloth. I also don't agree to abolish the custom, for many reasons and not ethnocentric in the slighest.

I'm interested in whether other countries have school parades involving flags. I think it might be interesting to know.

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As you can see, very few countries have such jingoistic customs as we do.

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Different countries, different routes.
I already knew that we are one of the few countries to have this custom. But it doesn't hurt to actually see what's going on beyond our borders and not just assume that we're unique in this and just scrap it or whatever.

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Bleh, nobody else cares about your thread, go to sleep...

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I got answers for some countries though didn't I? And don't tell me you knew about Norway
You're right about the sleep part though. Kalinichta. Will bump it tomorrow.

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The Koreans have to be among the laziest Independence Day celebrators on earth. I saw absolutely nothing being done besides a lot of flags set up on main street.

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OK.

So we have:

No=US, Danemark, France (with some exceptions) South Korea.

Yes= Norway, Greece

What about the UK, Germany, Austria, Finland, Sweden, Italy, The Netherlands, Spain, Turkey and other countries which I know we have representatives here?!

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Out of curiosity, could you write the name of your country and wether or not you're having school parades during your national holidays? School parades is where each school parades on the streets and the best student of each carries the flag.


We don't have anything like that in England that I am aware of.

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Sweden: No, ****ing way!

The national day is june the 6th so most schools are ending about the same time. The end of school means much more for most kids than the nation.

 
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