29-10-2003 06:46									#31
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I need to log off, probably for the night. I may be able to get back on briefly later. If not, well, I've left pretty detailed comments. If I'm overridden, that's fine. But for the first time in a long time, I feel like I've done my job (as co-general of the armies).

Sorry for being a slouch in the past.

-Arrian

	29-10-2003 06:47									#32
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Looks good, though I'd still be inclined to suggest a galley in Tornado before the marketplace.

I see we could have Invention in 4 turns or Astronomy in 7. That's not bad going for a civ with just a handful of libraries. I suppose we need to have the what & when to research debate soon.

Hurricane is commercial giant - Colossus, river, 3 lux tiles and low corruption. Anyone fancy a stab at 'Pernies if we go for Astronomy ?

	29-10-2003 06:51									#33
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I am positive that the time has come to gift Miller Town to RP as insurance for their continued survival.

If Pamplona falls before we give RP a city in North Stormia, they would be able to circle round towards Barcelona and be in position to snuff RP before RP had a chance to accept. ie, RP gone.

I am fine with accepting Toledo and New Madrid for us to defend again, but we better get some units into NM if we do.

	29-10-2003 06:52									#34
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Totally cool, Arrian, totally cool... and you ain't no slouch (Although you should be playing Emperor... And on that note, doesn't the happiness feel *ridiculously* easy?).

I feel about a MILLION times more on top of things than for the turn on Friday. Amy and I just ordered some Chinese, so I will play the turn after that... figure around 10:30pm EST.

Anybody else wants to chime in, go ahead. When I play, I'll do it in chunks so people can comment.

Note / question for all: There are some things I need to do while in the production phase via switching cities before all production actually takes place... please highlight those actions for me.

Chinese is here.

	29-10-2003 06:59									#35
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Please note my post re Miller Town and RP survival.

Furthermore, beware the recently completed double highway through the mountains to Pamplona.

	29-10-2003 07:41									#36
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quote: Originally posted by Theseus North: I'll be able to tell when I can proceed with the save, but I think there might be a tile that all 8 Galleys can reach which would allow for EITHER a GoW or an ND landing next turn.

Beta 4444 is that tile with both options, but we could lose surprise if they have lookouts at YK 333 or 332. I assume they have no ships over there.

OTOH, if there are GoW lookouts, it could raise the diplomatic tempo. They'll also be finally getting a good eyeful of our forces in the south this turn .

	29-10-2003 08:09									#37
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quote: Originally posted by Theseus Chinese is here.

THAT'S an understatement!

	29-10-2003 09:19									#38
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I accept RP's offer. I will offer them Miller Town and HH at the end of the turn.

	29-10-2003 09:35									#39
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PRODUCTION

The Voice builds a Spear; switched to Worker.
Sufa builds a Horseman; switched to Worker.
[I go into the serial city screens at this point]
Sandstorm switched to Pike.
HH left alone.
Toledo is on Pike; left alone.
Monsoon is on Galley; left alone.
OG switched to Galley.
Beta on Galley; left alone.
Whirlwind on Galley; left alone.
Sirocco on Cat; left alone.
Inchoff on Courthouse; left alone.
Inchon on Spear; left alone.
Blizzard switched to Galley (Arrian, it has 2 extra food, and we need pickets).
Winds of Change switched to Galley (same logic).
Santa Ana on WC; left alone.
New Madrid on Pike... interesting, it is producing 5 out of 17 shields after corruption, and we actually got the shields... left alone (has Barracks and Granary).
EotS on Knight; left alone.
Wittlich City on Spear; left alone.
Miller Town on Spear, with 7 shields done... IF I RUSH IT NOW FOR 52 GOLD, WILL IT COMPLETE THIS TURN?

[pause]

	29-10-2003 09:47									#40
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Aaaah, screw it, can't wait:

Miller Town changed to Worker, rushed for 12g.
Hurricane changed to Uni (I still can't get over happiness).
Cyclone changed to Aquaduct (grows to 6 pop this turn, currently at 4 excess food).
Bolderberg on Harbor; left alone.
D-ville (growth in 3, Galley done in 4); left alone, Aquaduct next.
Elipolis changed to Harbor.
Tempest on Knight; left alone.
Tornado changed to Market.
Typhoon on Horse; left alone.
Arashi changed to Market.

	29-10-2003 10:10									#41
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Thesues, rushing a unit in a city that will be RP before our next turn?

	29-10-2003 10:11									#42
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How many Workers to road flatland in one turn? I have an idea around Fort Lib.

Worker at Pamp 6 moves 8.

Horse in Sufa sent to OG.

Southern Galley retreats to Barc 211.

4 Knights unloaded at Sirocco, sent to Pamp 6 and fortified.'

2 Galleys in Sirocco sent to Barc 9.

2 Galleys at OG 77 sent to Sirocco 6... 4 Knights woken and unloaded.

WC at OG 8 sent to OG.

Worker at Blizzard 11 irrigates. Worker at Blizzard 23 moves8 and mines. Worker at Santa Ana 99 mines. 4 Workers near WoC mine and road. Workers near D-ville clear. Worker at Beta 23 moves 7 and mines. Worker at HH 8 moves 88 and starts to clear.

12 Knights and 4 Pikes loaded at Beta / Beta 4... 8 Galleys moved to sea at Beta 4441... no enemy sighted.

General re-shuffling in the north, to get Spears onto the coast and MedInfs into Beta for the second northern wave against Bob.

Horse in OG and Warrior in Beta upgraded.

	29-10-2003 10:11									#43
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Miller Town on Spear, with 7 shields done... IF I RUSH IT NOW FOR 52 GOLD, WILL IT COMPLETE THIS TURN?

No, it will be wasted gold. RP will have the city before our next turn and all we have accumulated/rushed will be gone.

	29-10-2003 10:12									#44
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Yeah, rushing the Worker didn't work... 12 g lost. Sorry, I am not as good at mechanics as some.

	29-10-2003 10:13									#45
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How many Workers to road flatland in one turn? I have an idea around Fort Lib.

2 of ours.

	29-10-2003 10:15									#46
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Yeah, rushing the Worker didn't work... 12 g lost. Sorry, I am not as good at mechanics as some.

Crash course. At least you have the time and dedication to do it. Carry on.

	29-10-2003 10:18									#47
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OK, production's done, and many of the basic moves.

Next:

12 Knights moved to Alamo 63. The Pike healed to 3/4, btw.

Pike moved from Toledo 112 to Toledo, leaving one Pike on the hills crossroads.

(I've got a five week old kitten crawling all over my desk... )

	29-10-2003 10:20									#48
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She thinks the cursor is alive... wait till she sees and hears animated combat!!

	29-10-2003 10:22									#49
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Please just send the cities accepted. We may not get a second chance.

	29-10-2003 10:27									#50
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OK, I am pretty much done except Fort Lib...

(get off the keyboard, kitty)

I've got 5 Pike, 5 MedInf, 4 Workers, and 1 Cat there, with a supporting cast nearby.

(get off the mouse, kitty)

I am thinking we can credibly send a Pike/MedInf/Worker force either to FLib 8 (the desert) or to FLib 1 (hills... but 66 of Merida).

	29-10-2003 10:30									#51
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Your call, you are playing it now. I do not intend to be a part time unit pusher, they don't work too well.

	29-10-2003 10:31									#52
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nye, I accepted the cities first thing.

HEY... since I saved OFFERING cities for last, how about I offer The Voice and HH? We get the Worker from Miller Town, and can gift that to them next turn... qqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqq

(stay off the keyboard, kitty)

	29-10-2003 10:34									#53
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Before I finish, I want to say that I am I bit uncomfortable with this city gifting thing... not RP to us, rather us to RP in N. Stormia. This has not been discussed enough.

(kitty thinks it's a good idea though)

	29-10-2003 10:44									#54
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While waiting for some last commentary:

* It feels like GoW is blanketing their NE coast, much mirroring us. If we DO go for a GoW YK landing, the good news is we have access to 3 equally good tiles (2 hill, 1 mntn), and at least one, the mntn, is not currently occupied.

* We have 2 Cats in the southern area where the ND Galleys are approaching... I'd like to move them to Barc 441, the southern hill road.

* We (with RP?) may want to get some kind of units onto the currently open hills at Barc 41 and 412... just in case ND has units on those Galleys, why let them disembark onto hills?

* I don;t know enough about how F8 works... for all their protestations, Lego is second only to us in power.

I'm going to do screen shots now, pending final moves.

	29-10-2003 10:57									#55
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Oh!! Research... We can do Astro in 12 turns, making 68gpt, as opposed to no research and 173gpt.

I'd like to do so.

	29-10-2003 11:08									#56
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If we do anything, it should be towards GP. Astro does nothing for us.

The important thing is to SEND the cities, accepted.

	29-10-2003 11:09									#57
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OK, I'm gonna finish off.

Cat from Barc 4 to Barc 442. Cat from FLib to the same tile.

MedInf from Barc 4 to FLIb.

3 Pike, 5 MedInf, and 4 Workers from FLib move8 (desert, below the Pike and 12 Knights).

	29-10-2003 11:10									#58
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Also, I believe that keeping RP in the game and standing by our ally would be things covered by previous discussions, if not common sense.

	29-10-2003 11:11									#59
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Hmmm... nye, GP is a path already trodden. You think we can't trade for it (with MANY other geo-pol considerations as part of the basket of goods)?

Astro, does increase our transport capabilities, btw.

	29-10-2003 11:13									#60
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Research and sending the cities are (I think) the only thing left to do.