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thorgrimm
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Well you EGOTISTICAL i never stole a Damn Thing!!!! I gave credit and if Exile's Piss poor ego problems give him a *&%$# swelled Head thats his problem unless he has a copyright on his scen he does not own it The people who bought out microprose do!!! I thought using an idea created by someone else and giving credit was a form of flattery but i guess i was wrong it seems that we have a few swelled heads in this crowd of GOOD OLE BOYS So i bid you Adeau and i feel sorry for you if you think that by using your scen i was "stealing from you" you are dead wrong and a miserable wretch at the same time. Oh by the way in 1870 the Philippines, Cuba and Puerto Rico belonged to Spain you miserable cur NEVER CALL ME A THIEF AGAIN!!!
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thorgrimm
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Drug smoking Hippy vermin You are the type of miserable wretch who think they are god's gift to the world while you are nothing but a cockroach who if in person would not say the same thing
MY NAME WAS NOT EVEN IN THE POST TITLE!!! you vermin on 2 legs and if you read the entire thread, puke you would see that i had asked around for you but you were probably to busy smoking dope you miserable excuse of a 2 legged vermin!
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Exile
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of the Benighted Realms
Sep 2000
time: 23:31
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1.) Yes, I am egotistical. Why not? People keep appearing out of the blue and seem intent on stealing MY scenarios. Not anyone else's--just mine. 
2.) Yes you did steal a plethora of "damn things." My map, my placements, my terrain, my numbers and relationships, my governments, my tech tree . . . do I really need to go on? 
3.) Credit is good. How about permission?
4.) Ok, is my ego "piss poor" or a "problem?" Make up your mind. 
5.) "Swelled head?" See the response #1 above.
6.) I never claimed to own it, and (obviously) can't prevent someone from stealing it and calling it their own. Just because I don't have a copyright doesn't mean that I didn't create it. Everyone here knows that I did.
7.) "using an idea" and stealing it are two different things.
8.) I am flattered. Doesn't excuse the theft, however.
9.) Who are the other swelled heads?
10.) "Good ole boys" Well, then, why don't you steal someone else's work and see how they respond? And how would you feel if someone stole yours and presented it, without consulting you or acquiring your permission, altered it so that it doesn't work the way it was intended, then puts it out there?
11.) It's adieu.
12.) I'm not wrong. You were stealing from me, and that has nothing to do with whether or not I'm a " miserable wretch." 
13.) In the scenario, all three of the places you mentioned DO, in fact belong to Spain. This remark is, AFAICT, a non-sequitur.
14.) If you don't want to be called a thief, then stop stealing others' work. 
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thorgrimm
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CurtSibling I apologise for my outrage if you check my posts on civfanatics you will see that i always try to debate with intelligence not emotionalism. And i did try to contact him to see if it was ok. Since i recieved no contact from him i did not see the harm because i do believe that i made an honest attempt to contact him. And as i have removed it he has nothing to complain about now, and i consider the matter closed. I also think i will not post here because of his slanderous statements against my honor and as a United States Marine we take slanderous statements very serious and as in the post title my name was nowhere in it. I did not "just come along and steal his work". As it was my very first attempt at creating a scenario i tried to pick the very best scenario i could to base WOTW on. As i have no graphic talent to speak of. And again i apologise for my outbreak of emotionalism.
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thorgrimm
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If someone uses anything i create and put out to the public i am thrilled not threatened by it.
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Exile
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of the Benighted Realms
Sep 2000
time: 23:31
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1.) "drug-smoking hippie vermin" I don't use drugs, I am not a hippie, and I am just as human as you are. Carried away much?
2.) "cockroach" You DO seem to be caught up in this "vermin" thing, don't you?
3.) Yes, if I was in person, I would say the same thing. If it came to a fight, no problem kid.
4.) I wasn't smoking anything and what does the fact that I walk on 2 legs have to do with anything?
5.) "i always try to debate with intelligence not emotionalism." Ummm, failure.
6.) Ok, so lemme get this straight; if you can't contact someone to acquire their permission to use the things they've created, then it's allright to steal it, alter it, and put it out there anyway?! Riiiiiiiiiiiiiight.
7.) No "slander." Just facts. It's my scenario. You took it and altered it, then posted it here without my permission, approval, or even knowledge. If I'm slandering you, sue me. Seriously.
8.) You're a marine? Then your "honor" should dictate that you not steal from someone else. In any case, I'm not sure that I believe it, and I'm certainly not impressed.
9.) Glad to hear my scenario was the best. 
10.) Little late to say you're sorry, and I notice that you're only apologizing to Curt for throwing a tantrum, not to me for stealing my work and attempting to pass it off as your own.
11.) You're not going to post here anymore? That's a slick way of avoiding responsibility for your theft and dodging any further embarrassment. Run away, little boy. They teach you that in the "marines?"
I'm becoming increasingly convinced that this person is a soundwave DL. Is there a moderator who has access to the necessary tools to take a look at the IP addy? What American uses epithets like "cur" and "wretch?" I'm very suspicious. He also seems right on the edge about this--as if he's already very frustrated with me refusing to just lie back and accept the theft of my work.
Last edited by Exile on 02-11-2003 at 00:20
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thorgrimm
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Fact: Thorgrimm is nowhere in the title.
Fact: Thread is called War of the Worlds based on Exile's Imperialism scenario
Fact: Attempt to contact 28 October
Fact: Reply made 01 November
Fact: Objection noted 01 November
Fact: Scenario removed 01 November
Question: Where in the Scenario description does "Thorgrimm's scenario" appear?
Saepius Exertus, Semper Fidelis, Frater Infinitas
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This has been downloaded 98 time(s).
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MarineCorps
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Maine
Nov 2003
time: 05:31
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Your also doing the Name calling here.
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MarineCorps
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Maine
Nov 2003
time: 05:31
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Yes it's my first post, I am talking to Throgrimm on MSN and was linked here.
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MarineCorps
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Maine
Nov 2003
time: 05:31
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What are you talking about, I can't fight my own battles?
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thorgrimm
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Actualy the Martians Launched 10 cylinders, as the journalist and the Curate were buried under the 5th cylinder. and on his way to London he describes a giant flying machine with swept back wings like a crescent moon. also wanted to show that if the Martians had not died of disease they would have had a very hard tome with the rest of the planet, given Humanitys capacity and ingenuity for war. As i believe that Humanity would not have folded up with the fall of the British Isles
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techumseh
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of the frozen North.
Apr 1999
time: 22:31
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Just to set Exile's concern to rest - Soundwave, thorgrimm and Marine Corps all have different IP's, so they are at least different computers, if not different people.
thorgrimm, Mercator is right, you should have included a reference to Exile's work in your readme file, especially since so much of your scenario is actually his work.
Having said that, I think Exile should have taken a few things into account:
1) thorgrimm made it clear from the outset that his scenario was based on Exile's.
2) thorgrimm is new, and should have been given a chance to do the right thing before being attacked. Despite being attacked, he still did what he said he would from the outset, and withdrew the scenario.
3) the rule here has always been that material posted here (or on any civ site) is public domain and is available for everyone to use, PROVIDED that proper acknowledgement is given. No permission is required, although it is sometimes sought, as a courtesy.
When I was a newbie around here, I witnessed the debates when Alex the Magnificent tried to claim copyright on his artwork and even tried to SELL his scenarios (those were the days of Glastnost, I guess ) Alex conceded defeat, and the current understanding has been in place ever since.
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Exile
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of the Benighted Realms
Sep 2000
time: 23:31
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Brian, I'm not asking anything of anyone else that I didn't do myself. When I put together MedDarkAge and American Empire, I was certain to contact and acquire permission from both Eric and Charles before placing those scenarios ANYWHERE. Both of these gentlemen gave me a clear and even enthusiastic go-ahead. Moreover, both of them had long since left the Civ2 community.
You're right in saying it's common courtesy. It is. But when someone does the things I've encountered to MY scenarios without even informing me that it was being done then I'm going to point it out. Agressively if necessary.
The reason is simple;
I spent a LOT of time making sure that, despite the difficulties with the Civ2 program itself, the scenarios performed the way that I wanted them to. When someone else monkeys with that work, they are simply not going to be able to take into account all the factors that I have. There are almost inevitably some factors that a thief isn't going to even know about, let alone understand. Then, the "modified" scenario goes out there. And it's screwed up. And then persons playing it are unhappy, unsatisfied, and wind up thinking that my scenario is crap.
Think that's an overstatement? Look at the "soundwave/history" episode. He "modified" AoW, and the result was that the careful balance I'd tried to create was ruined. The result of his tampering was wreckage.
I'm still trying to understand why MY scenarios are the only ones attracting this kind of "attention."
Thorgrim isn't a newbie. He's only a newbie here. He's been over on CivFan for some time. Long enough to know better, frankly.
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