29-10-2003 03:25									#1
	Further use of unit teleportation via city gifting Support Apolyton, buy GURPS/ Alpha Centauri

Vote, Stormians, and vote quickly.

-Arrian

	29-10-2003 03:48									#2
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I'd say Yes as part of a city exchange deal with two cities on North Stormia, and No otherwise.

(edit - I haven't voted on the poll yet, as this is my position. If the exchange deal is demonstrably unworkable, and GoW/ND didn't 'share' cats then it's a No)

	29-10-2003 03:51									#3
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I voted no,

if it isn't used someone should probably tell RP before they get the save

	29-10-2003 04:03									#4
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FYI - MZ's response to hypothetical exploits - from the 'Teams that are Allies thread':

quote: 1. Gifting of cities to move units across the map

MZ: Debatable. It is not a game winning tactic in itself. I do find it "sneaky" but perhaps not borderline cheating. Many might disagree.

quote: 2. Gifting of cities for defensive purposes (IE gifting the frontlines)

MZ: Allowable. This has happened in real life. Just look at the Arab union formed for the 1967 war (I think it was that war)

	29-10-2003 05:00									#5
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I liked Cort Haus' idea: 2 for 2.

	29-10-2003 05:10									#6
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I opened the save... first things, first: Spain has offered us WM, New Madrid, and Toledo, accepted (by them).

We'll have to decide in the next few hours, then I can play out the turn.

	29-10-2003 05:14									#7
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okay, I quickly voted in favor of it... and am off to bed. Sorry to be so absent lately, guys. If you could get the turn threads more organized so that those who only glimpse over them could also comment, it would probably streamline actions here more. But, I'm hardly in a position to ask that from someone, if I can't do it myself.

DeepO

	29-10-2003 05:33									#8
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Take my yes vote with a grain of salt, as I have not yet looked at the save file (Cort Haus, did you just PM vondrack to get on the distributiion? Don't know if that's all there is to it or not.)

However, my understanding is that:

a) there was a clear agreement in advance that this was not permitted;
b) it was a reasonably well-known as a trick that could be used;
c) has already been used in this game; and
d) might very well be used by our opponents later on.

Based on these facts, it seems reasonable to do this.

	29-10-2003 05:48									#9
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All true, except a.

I'm gonna try and see who's online from the team... this is pretty important stuff.

	29-10-2003 05:55									#10
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I PMed alexman and SR, who were the only others currently on 'poly.

	29-10-2003 06:08									#11
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Summons received.

I'll be able to look at the save shortly.

	29-10-2003 06:11									#12
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Yep, nye and aatw just came on as well.

	29-10-2003 06:14									#13
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While I'm against such things in general (I would not agree to play in a PBEM where this is allowed), I think we have already seen examples in this game of "tricks" of that nature. Capturing of friendly units for double movement, map exchange without the ability to do so in-game, renaming of units to mislead...

Do the teleport.

	29-10-2003 06:18									#14
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Sorry I haven't replied earlier, my new kitten is ill and we are quite concerned over here

I vote yes for the transport. Its been done before, and I don't think it will help that much in the long run.

But RP must not keep any garrisons in these towns in the future, build and send them off to pamplona.

	29-10-2003 06:28									#15
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sleepy, we just got a new kitten as well, on Friday evening. She is 5 weeks old... fits on my hand, cute as can be, and hilarious. Hope yours is OK...

	29-10-2003 06:30									#16
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It wasn't in the poll...

What do people think about Cort Haus' idea, gifting 2 cities in North Stormia to RP?

	29-10-2003 06:31									#17
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quote: Originally posted by Tall Stranger However, my understanding is that: a) there was a clear agreement in advance that this was not permitted;

Ooops. I meant to write "forbidden" not "permitted". Rather sizable difference.

I was trying to say that since this move was not expressly forbidden at the beginning of the game, it's hard to argue for banning it now.

	29-10-2003 06:33									#18
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It appears I am to be outvoted. So be it, Stormians.

-Arrian

	29-10-2003 06:36									#19
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Well, 4 to 2 is not much of a showing.

I can wait a bit more, if people would like.

	29-10-2003 06:39									#20
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A bit longer, yeah, but not too long - the turn needs to get done tonight.

-Arrian

	29-10-2003 06:39									#21
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quote: Originally posted by Theseus sleepy, we just got a new kitten as well, on Friday evening. She is 5 weeks old... fits on my hand, cute as can be, and hilarious. Hope yours is OK...

cool. He's about 10 weeks old, and was incredibly hyper until last night. He slept the entire night without bothering us and today just hasn't moved much. Failed to use the litter box once. Walks like a drunk. cries all the time.

Unfortunately our vet is closed on wednesdays, so we're just hoping that he is fine after a good nights rest. He does eat and drink, which is very good.



Anyway. 6 people voted. I doubt more will be around, 6 is an alright turn out these days around here.

	29-10-2003 06:44									#22
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I hope your kitty's ok, sleepy!

-Arrian

	29-10-2003 06:46									#23
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Since we got the kitten so young, we've had to do things in place of her mother. She's still bottle feeding, for instance. I also learned that mother cats do all the grooming, which also includes licking to enourage urination... you might want to try a moist wipe.

* Theseus thinks: Hmmm, is there an application to our situation on Bob? j/k

	29-10-2003 06:57									#24
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Best wishes for the kitten.

Other than teleportation, it is time to give RP a city in North Stormia. It is conceivable that they could be knocked out before we get another chance, since we have rebuilt the road network. I suggest Miller Town as it is central and would be the best of the bad choices for a new capital for them.

Also, if Pamplona falls, we will have to defend NM and Toledo again, since RP simply does not have the army for it.

I voted for accepting the cities.

	29-10-2003 08:31									#25
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I agree with the north stormia bit.

sigh. I'm off to Indianapolis 50 miles away to the 24 hour vet. cross your fingers...

	29-10-2003 09:03									#26
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Damn, that sucks.

Here we go...