29-10-2003 03:29									#1
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sorry if this is posted somewhere else, I'm slow and stupid...

What is the release date for Civ3: Conquests? if there is one...

	29-10-2003 03:44									#2
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nov 4 US

nov 14 world wide

	29-10-2003 03:47									#3
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I was just in GameStop and they are expecting it to be on the shlef on the 5th, so the release date of the 4th seems good.

	29-10-2003 04:38									#4
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Yes. Gamestop sent me an email stating that the game will be shipped to me on 04 November.

	29-10-2003 14:15									#5
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Of course Infogreed treating the rest of the world like sh*t once more. Why do they insist on doing this?

	29-10-2003 14:54									#6
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oh come on... what's 10 days?
iirc the PTW patch 1.21 took half a year to come to the rest of the world...

and as jeff foley expained: it's thanks to atari USA that they'll get it a week earlier than planned. the european atari representatives probably just aren't that flexible.

	29-10-2003 18:42									#7
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10 days is a gesture...that is what...

	29-10-2003 18:43									#8
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...I mean, they insist on releasing different versions in different areas of the world, and why? What was the delay between the patches if there is no inherent difference between the games. Why do Atari carry on like this? It seems bizarre, and somewhat offensive. I really urge Firaxis to find a different distributor for their next game...

	29-10-2003 22:06									#9
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quote: Originally posted by Provost Harrison ...I mean, they insist on releasing different versions in different areas of the world, and why? What was the delay between the patches if there is no inherent difference between the games. Why do Atari carry on like this? It seems bizarre, and somewhat offensive. I really urge Firaxis to find a different distributor for their next game...

hi ,

what , different versions for the world , again , ......


have some people not been paying attention the last time , ......

have a nice day

	29-10-2003 22:56									#10
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Here's Jeff's reasoning on why there is a 10 day gap.

quote: U.S. releases are always on a Tuesday and ROW (Rest of World) releases are always on a Friday. Normally our simultaneous releases happen in the same week. In this case, we were headed towards a November 11th U.S. release and a Nov 14th ROW release, but the Operations team here in the U.S. managed to pull a rabbit out of their hat and found a way to squeeze in time at the duplicators this past weekend. (Normally very difficult at this time of year; many duplicators are operating at full capacity.) That's why the unusually fast turnaround between gold master and finished packaging. ROW managed to cut down their schedule from the normal 4 week period down to this.

I imagine it is cheaper to send one disk to a European duplicator than to make them in the USA and ship thousands of packages across the ocean.

I can't find the quote right now, but I seem remember Jeff saying that there would only be one version this time around (it was probably on the other Civ fan site).

	29-10-2003 22:57									#11
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I think there is only one version of C3C, it's just a matter of where they are being replicated that is causing an earlier US release.

	29-10-2003 23:23									#12
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It seems to me, that its the European arm of the distribution process that is slowing things up.

Be thankful they are not shipped to the UK, and distributed by Rail .. ha ha ha ha .. at this time of the year, the wrong kind of leaves combined with the wrong kind of snow would mean we'd never see Conquests anywhere in Europe.

	29-10-2003 23:38									#13
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quote: Originally posted by WarpStorm Here's Jeff's reasoning on why there is a 10 day gap. I imagine it is cheaper to send one disk to a European duplicator than to make them in the USA and ship thousands of packages across the ocean. I can't find the quote right now, but I seem remember Jeff saying that there would only be one version this time around (it was probably on the other Civ fan site).

hi ,



the cost of operating are way more expensive in the EU then in the US OF A , taxes on everything , labor tax , health insurance , etc , .....

even by air it would be cheaper and faster then by letting it to be made in the EU , .....

aldo with one exception , there are some extremely good companies in Greece and Malta that are cheaper ( thanks to the living standards ) and have high quality , but try to find one that can handle a huge volume ( 500 000 ) at a weeks notice , ....

have a nice day

	30-10-2003 14:09									#14
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Hmmm, well I am glad that they have coordinated the versions, if it is true...the difference in European and US versions was a farce...

	31-10-2003 02:29									#15
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quote: Originally posted by panag the cost of operating are way more expensive in the EU then in the US OF A , taxes on everything , labor tax , health insurance , etc , ..... even by air it would be cheaper and faster then by letting it to be made in the EU , .....

Hi panag,

Manufacturing and Operations is a funny subject. Not funny ha-ha, but funny head-scratch. In my tenure, I've encountered many things that I thought would be simple but become very costly, and many things that I thought would be very difficult to manufacture that are quite straightforward. In this case, I can shed some light on the subject...

First of all, remember that packaging outside of the U.S. has completely different requirements. Right off the top of my head, I can name several:
- no box flap
- in this case, different artwork on the packaging (chosen by our international offices so they can convey more game information without the flap)
- different ratings board with different rating requirements
- localization of the box copy (not everyone is as well informed as we are here on what the game contains)
- in some cases, different box size
- translated manual
- different security requirements

It takes time to set up film, set up the master CD, do appropriate checks for defective discs, assemble packaging, print manuals, stuff 'em all in a box, stuff the boxes into bigger boxes... and can you imagine having to do this all from one duplicator house, and having to reset everything for each run of a langugae? It's very helpful to distribute the load, and if you're going to do that, why not do the duplication in the territories where the units are going to be delivered anyways?

It's like our email newsletter. I remember being upset when we sent our second one out on a Tuesday, and I didn't get mine delivered until that Thursday. But then I realized, if you're sending out over 100,000 emails, and an email server sends out an email say, oh, every 3 seconds, you'd only be sending about 29,000 emails a day. The point being, it takes time to manufacture tens of thousands of CDs and stuff them into packages, and to make sure that it's done right.

I hope this gives some insight into what goes into putting a game on the shelves worldwide. Suffice it to say, we are working hard throughout our organization to remain a top-quality video game publisher in every territory.

Best,
Jeff Foley
Atari

	31-10-2003 03:06									#16
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quote: Originally posted by Provost Harrison Of course Infogreed treating the rest of the world like sh*t once more. Why do they insist on doing this?

Yeah but at least you guys get the better looking box art than we do!

Same thing for strategy firsts' Victoria, the European box art is better looking than the North American box art.

	01-11-2003 00:11									#17
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hi ,

thanks for the reply Jeff

and then there are still people who complain about a buck or two , .....


so Jeff , two Q's ( questions ) for you ;

a ) will there be one and only one version , software wise for the whole world , and if not , how many versions

b ) would you guys hold a chat
like in the first days of CIV III

thanks in advance and thanks for explaining again a small part of what comes to look with a game , it aint that easy as some people say , ..... and you guys are doing one heck of a great job

have a nice day

and you know that if you are ever in Israel or europe that beers are for free (!)

	01-11-2003 00:14									#18
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quote: Originally posted by Provost Harrison Of course Infogreed treating the rest of the world like sh*t once more. Why do they insist on doing this?

hi ,

well some remarks made it all the way up till Paris , infogrames has since then changed several things , for now we have to give them the benefit of the doubt and hope that everything goes well , ......

have a nice day

	01-11-2003 01:50									#19
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I think changing the name to Atari was a good move, people will have to re-think an insulting name to call the publisher

	01-11-2003 01:55									#20
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quote: Originally posted by Louis XXIV I think changing the name to Atari was a good move, people will have to re-think an insulting name to call the publisher

I still can see the (info)GREED in Atari.

	01-11-2003 02:29									#21
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I think it was a good move in the US for other reasons.
(Good memories of the Atari game system growing up by everyone around 30, for instance.)

quote: Originally posted by Louis XXIV I think changing the name to Atari was a good move, people will have to re-think an insulting name to call the publisher

	01-11-2003 03:38									#22
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Yeah, I know that

Although Atari was the company that brought you ET.