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Blisterz
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A question for Americans in the house.
I was wondering if someone could tell, what is the closest an Independent has come to winning an election on the Fed level. I know there has been a few Indy Gov's, but I am pretty sure one has has never been president. The only Ind. I can think of ever running for president are Perot, Wallace, and Nader.
Any Info would be really helpful, thanks.
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Blisterz
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sorry I spelled it's wrong it John Connally.
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Blisterz
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I don't think all the people you can select have ran for prez. I think it's just people that at some point were in the position that they 'could' of.
Well I am pretty left on all my issues but gun control and health care, so with both candidates being far right, at least I don't have to split the left votes 
What about my running mate Barry Commoner, who is he?
Last edited by Blisterz on 29-10-2003 at 07:29
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lord of the mark
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FUKCOV - Former United Kingdom Colony of Virginia
Dec 2000
time: 00:31
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Originally posted by GePap
Today's republican party is not the same as the party of Ike and Dewey form just 50 years ago, far less that of Lincoln. Ditto the Dems of today are not much like the Dems of 1860. I think the only things that has stayed relatively stable are Democratic strength among the immigrant classes and labor unions, and a protestant center for the Republicans. |
well the party of Ike and Dewey was also the party of Taft and Joe McCarthy. Even the party of Lincoln was also the party of Thurlow Weed, etc. The conservative strain in the GOP has been around since just after the civil war, and the alliance with industrial capital since the civil war.
American politics was transformed when the main class division ceased to be between finance capital and its southern planter allies, and unskilled Catholic immigrants on the one hand and industrial capital and its allies among northern skilled laborers and yeoman farmers on the other. which was the case in 1860 and thereafter, to the progressive era, when the growth of large financial industrial combines threatened large elements of the northern middle class, leading to the emergence of Progressive Republicanism(1900-1912) , to the emergence of organized Labor as the principle opposition to Capital, sending much of the middle class and northern farmers back to their alliance with Capital (1932-1956) to the emergence of a post-industrial society and resulting shifts (since 1960)
To put it in European terms, the GOP in the late 19thc embodied both the "National Liberal" and "Progressive? wings of the liberal movement, in uneasy combination - the Progressives, then called "mugwumps" often flirted with the Dems, who were closer to a european style conservative party - supported by Catholic and regional landholding (in the South) elements marginalized by the liberal capitalist ascendance. Unlike Europe, were the working class tended to find its own leadership in Socialist parties, for various reasons a strong independent socialist party never arose in the US, and the Progressive intellectuals took the old party of Catholics and Southerners and transformed it into a vehicle for a Progressive-Labor alliance - this is sometimes fondly called "the new deal coalition". The GOP became essentially a standard post-liberal conservative party - a coalition of Industry, farmers, and less progressive elements of the middle class.
Post-1945 the southern conservatives dropped out of the Dem coalition, but the Blacks went from the GOP to the Dems. From the '60s till today the Dems have been split between labor roots, and a progressive element more left on foreign and social policy, but deeply skeptical of the Social Democratic inclinations of blue collar dems. The GOP on the other hand has reached out to lower middle class whites, especially in the south, largely on the basis of their alliance with the fundamentalist Protestant right. The GOP is threatened by splits between a capitalist/libertarian/entrepreneurial wing and the religious wing, which split threatens the interests of the big corporate core. The Dems face the dilemma of attempting to go after the lost lower middle class elements on Social Dem grounds (the Gephardt strategy) at the expense of alienating the Progressive activists (the Dean vote)
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chegitz guevara
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Ft. Lauderdale, FL Communist Party of Apolyton
Jun 2000
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Originally posted by Joseph
Here is one for you.
The Democrate party has been around since 1801, but has only produce 18 Presidents.
The Republican party started in 1869 or so, but has produce, guess what, also 18 Presidents.
Since the Republican has been here only 9 Democrate has made it to the White House.
The Rep. are beating the Demo 2 to 1. |
That doesn't take into account the number of one-term Republicans, as well as one removed from office, another one who wasn't elected at all (Ford, not Bush), two questionables (Hayes and Bush II), and a four-term democrat.
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29-10-2003 05:15
. In that era it was just the Democrat Party. The Republicans, which came from the Northern Whigs, ran their first candidate in 1856 (Fremont) and then Lincoln in 1860.
, and Robertson is one of the heads of the religious right.
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