30-10-2003 22:46									#31
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quote: Originally posted by Wiglaf $130 isn't that much money.

Have you ever been a college student?

That is all I am going to say to this dingbat.

	31-10-2003 02:26									#32
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	31-10-2003 02:29									#33
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quote: Originally posted by Asher Huh? They didn't have to upgrade.

There were a lot of fixes that you could only get by upgrading to XP.

	31-10-2003 02:57									#34
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara There were a lot of fixes that you could only get by upgrading to XP.

Name some.

	31-10-2003 02:58									#35
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I wonder why Cloud9 hasn't posted here yet, he's obviously around.

	31-10-2003 03:10									#36
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quote: Originally posted by Asher Name some.

I can't. I'm just regurgitating what I read in some PC magazine.

	31-10-2003 03:39									#37
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1. not making the thing crash so damn much. quite a free fix from winme.

that's the only one i can think of.

	31-10-2003 08:35									#38
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quote: Originally posted by Fez Have you ever been a college student? That is all I am going to say to this dingbat.

Anyone who has a job and a computer can wipe his ass with $130 bills any day of the week. Wake up guys. And if you can't, you aren't serious about computers enough to make a serious investment and therefore should play on a playstation instead or something.

Don't forget, Panther will offer a return far greater than that of, say, a $20000 car for many users.

Note that no one has yet defined the exact flaws in Panther or its predessor or anything. All I've heard is vague.

I might go use the john now. Don't all start a complaint thread for the poor toliet paper.

	31-10-2003 09:11									#39
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On the other hand, upgrading to Panther could toast a lot of data. Another prime example of Apple's stellar beta testing.

http://news.com.com/2100-1045_3-509...ml?tag=nefd_top

quote: Panther glitch erases some hard drives Last modified: October 30, 2003, 4:23 PM PST By Ina Fried Staff Writer, CNET News.com A problem is causing some of those who install the new version of Mac OS X to lose the data that's stored on their external hard drives. Apple Computer said the glitch is limited to external hard drives that use a high-speed FireWire connection and a particular chipset Oxford Semiconductor manufactures. The company encouraged those who have a drive that uses the chip to disconnect their drives from Macs that are being upgraded to Mac OS X version 10.3, or Panther. "Apple has identified an issue with external FireWire hard drives using the Oxford 922 bridge chipset with firmware version 1.02 that can result in the loss of data stored on the disk drive," the company said in a statement provided to CNET News.com. "Apple is working with Oxford Semiconductor and affected drive manufacturers to resolve this issue, which resides in the Oxford 922 chipset." An Oxford Semiconductor representative declined to comment. Apple recommended that customers do not use drives that have the Oxford chip in question. "To stop using the drive, you should unmount or eject the disk drive before doing anything else," the company said. Among the drives that are affected are the d2 series of FireWire 800 drives from LaCie. The company said the affected products have serial numbers less than "1339xxxxx" or "0339xxxxx". The drives shipped between April and the end of September. "LaCie has been actively investigating these reports to identify the cause of the problems and to provide our customers with a solution," the company said in a statement. LaCie added that it was able to test beta versions of Panther and did not experience the problem. Panther, the latest version of Mac OS X, went on sale Friday. The new operating system adds more than 150 new features, including improvements on its Finder and mail programs, among other enhancements.

	31-10-2003 11:14									#40
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Tsk. Don't they even have a serious testing period before shipping their product? Will they charge for version 10.3a which will correct the glitch?

	31-10-2003 12:12									#41
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quote: you aren't serious about computers enough to make a serious investment and therefore should play on a playstation instead or something.

Not even Agathon is this over the edge.
This statement implies that someone gets a computer soley for gaming purposes. And while that may be true for some people...I highly doubt any of them decided to get a Mac That's one of the things the mac people have espousing for years, how they aren't some gaming console and that you "Buy a PC for games, and buy a Mac for business".
Your statement also implies that the patch is gaming-related. So unless this is true, I advise you drop the propaganda line.

quote: Anyone who has a job and a computer can wipe his ass with $130 bills any day of the week.

I wonder how old you are. One might think your in that phase of "prosperity" where you don't really have any financial obligations to speak of and you are making a "normal" income for your family (or lack thereof)...However, I can assure you soon that will all disappear.
My situation? My entire family is on medications. They cost roughly $15-50 (The insurance decided they didnt want to pay as much, so...) each.
I have a 5 person family (with 2 pets ) and the household income is roughly $30,000. We have many more expenses than you'll probably ever know.
So $130 is quite a bit to a family like us. But I suppose we are not the ones that Apple is targeting. I for one would never pay the prices they ask for such low-quality products, and then have to pay for the patch.
I'd much rather get a PC that does more for less.

quote: Tsk. Don't they even have a serious testing period before shipping their product? Will they charge for version 10.3a which will correct the glitch?

Hey, but only people who aren't serious about computers don't pay for the patch. They go play a playstation instead

	31-10-2003 18:10									#42
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quote: Anyone who has a job and a computer can wipe his ass with $130 bills any day of the week. Wake up guys. And if you can't, you aren't serious about computers enough to make a serious investment and therefore should play on a playstation instead or something.

i would say that i grok computers.

well, i thought that $130 was a lot of money that we don't all have, but i guess i was wrong about that. thanks, wiggy, for wigging out and showing me the error of my assumptions.

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quote: Note that no one has yet defined the exact flaws in Panther or its predessor or anything. All I've heard is vague.

check the apple boards. if you have an apple account, that is. i do, since i d/led darwin x86 a while back.
you'll see this firewire 800 mess isn't just illusory.

	01-11-2003 00:13									#43
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link

All this for nothing!

	01-11-2003 00:31									#44
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Glad I just now noticed this link. Looks like the people over at Cnet are just as excited about bashing Macs as Asher, eh?

And everybody, college students get X.3 for ~$70, not ~$130.

Apple is very kind to students and anybody else involved with education.

	01-11-2003 00:42									#45
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quote: Originally posted by FlameFlash Apple is very kind to students and anybody else involved with education.

So is Microsoft, though.

* ixnay waves around his free copy of Visual Studio .NET he got from the school

	01-11-2003 00:44									#46
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microsoft has it where college students at chicago get xp and other microsoft products for $10-$15.

	01-11-2003 00:46									#47
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* FlameFlash shrugs.

I'm not sporting either is 'better' I'm just sporting the fact that college students who want to use a Mac don't have to pay full price for X.3.

	01-11-2003 00:56									#48
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true, true.

even so, if i had a mac, i'd probably split the cost with a friend, given that the os doesn't have activation.

	01-11-2003 01:04									#49
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Of course, Apple also has a program (that M$ probably does too, Asher, can you confirm? ) that if you buy a new comp within the month that a new OS is released you can get the new OS for only $20.

I'm still yelling at a friend who did this though, since Apple made it clear when it was to release X.3 I'd think he'd have waited for another couple of weeks and then saved $20. Oh well, I'm going to 'help' him 'install' it.

	01-11-2003 02:57									#50
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quote: Originally posted by Wiglaf Anyone who has a job and a computer can wipe his ass with $130 bills any day of the week. Wake up guys. And if you can't, you aren't serious about computers enough to make a serious investment and therefore should play on a playstation instead or something.

**** off man. I can't even spend that much in a week.... not to mention I have a ****ing large loan to pay off.

And secondly, my computer has been built up over time.

$130 for fees on upgrading is extortion.

	01-11-2003 04:12									#51
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I'm getting goddamn tired of your ****, Asher. Why don't you prove yourself a real man and post your crap on a real Macintosh forum?

Get your butt over to: http://forums.maccentral.com/

Register and then proceed to post the crap you post here amid a safe, shallow sea of fellow PC users. There's more than one Mac user at MacCentral who would make a worthy counter-argument to the material you post.

Or maybe I should just point them in 'Poly's direction, but that'd be a no-no, wouldn't it? Forum invasions being frowned upon and all.

Gatekeeper

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quote: Originally posted by Gatekeeper I'm getting goddamn tired of your ****, Asher. Why don't you prove yourself a real man and post your crap on a real Macintosh forum? Get your butt over to: http://forums.maccentral.com/ Register and then proceed to post the crap you post here amid a safe, shallow sea of fellow PC users. There's more than one Mac user at MacCentral who would make a worthy counter-argument to the material you post. Or maybe I should just point them in 'Poly's direction, but that'd be a no-no, wouldn't it? Forum invasions being frowned upon and all. Gatekeeper

Somebody needs to take a nap.

	01-11-2003 04:27									#53
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quote: Originally posted by Mr. Nice Guy link All this for nothing!

The joy of public backlash.

Apple told the guys they weren't going to patch it, they did leave it unpatched, and once news got out and everyone *****ed they announced they'd patch it.

Voila.

	01-11-2003 05:50									#54
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http://news.com.com/2100-1044_3-510...ml?tag=nefd_top

quote: Spotty display riles some PowerBook buyers Last modified: October 31, 2003, 11:11 AM PST By Matt Hines Staff Writer, CNET News.com Hundreds of owners of Apple Computer's new 15-inch PowerBook G4 are complaining about an apparent design fault that causes white spots to show up on the notebook computer's liquid crystal display. Apple said on Friday that it is looking into the problem. More than 650 individuals have signed an online petition demanding that the Cupertino, Calif.-based company address the issue. According to postings on Apple's online user forum, many PowerBook owners have experienced the problem, which causes white markings to appear on the laptop's screen. By most of these accounts, the spots are less than one inch in diameter. However, some people reported seeing multiple spots on their computers. Complaints about the problem have been cropping up on several Apple enthusiast sites in recent days. In response, the Mac maker issued the following statement Friday: "The new 15-inch PowerBook has been a big hit with customers since its introduction last month. However, some customers are reporting the appearance of faint white spots on their displays after using the system for a short period of time, and Apple is investigating these reports right now. Any customers experiencing this problem should contact AppleCare." Apple introduced the high-end 15-inch PowerBook in September. At that time, Apple CEO Steve Jobs said the device "sets the bar for professional notebooks even higher." The computer features a 15.2-inch (diagonal) widescreen display with 1280-by-854-pixel resolution. Shortly after the notebook computers were released, going by the timing of the user group postings, PowerBook owners began sending messages to Apple's support site, trying to find an explanation for the spots. Some users reported that they had noticed the distracting flaw immediately upon turning on the new computers, while others said the spots materialized over time. Some PowerBook buyers said they first saw the spots after getting machines back from Apple that had been returned for other repairs. One explanation of what could be causing the spots was posted to the computer maker's Web site by a self-identified "Apple technician," who claimed to have taken apart his PowerBook to investigate the problem. According to that posting, the notebook incorporates several spacers behind its LCD screen that could be putting pressure on the display and causing the white spots to appear. The posting said the spacers were utilized in the PowerBook's design in order to keep the computer's aluminum casing from bending. The 15-inch PowerBook G4 comes in two models. One is a 1GHz model that sells for $1,999 and includes 256MB of double data rate (DDR) memory, a 60GB hard drive and a combination drive that can play DVDs and burn CDs. A 1.25GHz version that's priced at $2,599 adds AirPort Extreme plus a backlit keyboard. It comes with 512MB of DDR memory, an 80GB hard drive and a drive that can burn both DVDs and CDs.

	01-11-2003 07:19									#55
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quote: Originally posted by Asher http://news.com.com/2100-1044_3-510...ml?tag=nefd_top

So Apple's customers are having some minor problems with one of Apple's newest products: the Aluminum Powerbook. Big deal. Stuff like that happens to all kinds of new products on the market. The best thing a company can do in a situation like this is to fix the problem ASAP, which is what Apple is doing right now.

	01-11-2003 08:11									#56
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Prevent kids from learning how to use computers while they are young, and they'll stick with Microsoft for life.

	01-11-2003 08:15									#57
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quote: Originally posted by Mr. Nice Guy So Apple's customers are having some minor problems with one of Apple's newest products: the Aluminum Powerbook. Big deal. Stuff like that happens to all kinds of new products on the market. The best thing a company can do in a situation like this is to fix the problem ASAP, which is what Apple is doing right now.

To me it smells like lack of adequate testing -- a familiar tune with Apple products these days.

I don't see crap like this about IBM's ThinkPads, why is that? ThinkPads even outsell Apple's laptops.

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quote: Originally posted by Asher To me it smells like lack of adequate testing -- a familiar tune with Apple products these days. I don't see crap like this about IBM's ThinkPads, why is that? ThinkPads even outsell Apple's laptops.

Dang Asher, you're narrowing things down quite a bit, aren't you?

Minor problems like this happens to all kinds of new products from all companies in all industries all the time. It's nothing to be too concerned about.

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quote: Minor problems like this happens to all kinds of new products from all companies in all industries all the time. It's nothing to be too concerned about.

White blotches on your screen are not, IMO, a "minor" problem.

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quote: Originally posted by St Leo Prevent kids from learning how to use computers while they are young, and they'll stick with Microsoft for life.

I learned how to use a computer when I was four, so the theory doesn't hold.