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Thorn is offline Thorn
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I am very stressed, my school is not going so well for me now, and my relationship is strained. I don't even take care of my body.

There is a guy who I've had a crush on for quite some time, I talked with him, and learned that he was a born again Christian Baptist. He has a shady past, but I've learned recently that he is a member of Exodus, which is an ex-gay religious group. It has me really upset, especially since they are trying to convert other gays on my school. (There are at least 300 of us out of my school's 3000 population). I haven't had a talk with him yet about this, I happened to learn this information because he posted some religious thoughts on our GLBT Alliance forum.

He's a real nice guy. But I am enraged, I haven't felt so much hatred for religion ever I think. This makes me hate Christianity, and its prequel Judaism. I mean I really hate it. I've been recently finding that my views are becoming more in line with classic Nazis. This has me confused and upset. I thought I was over all of this crap.

For those of you that don't remember I used to be a unreligoius fascist anti-homosexual. My social views have liberalised quite a bit since then.

But I'm finding myself falling back into behavior of aggression and discontent.

I'm thinking evil things about people in masses, and these especially apply to Christians and other religious people.

I've looked through my archives for some of my fascist political party's (a relic of my high school years) stuff, and I find myself driven to dig deeper and think and think about it more and more.

I was at a WW2 mini-memorial and I had an intense urge to steal the Nazi battleflag that was displayed there on the wall. Hell afterwards I started looking up prices for what a new ones would cost.

I've been thinking about abandoning my love lifestyle, and I think I'm turning into a Nazi.

I am beginning to become consumed my hatred on levels that I haven't had for at least 3 years. I'm starting to agree with the principle of genecide.

Help me, I don't know how to stop this, I don't want this to be me, yet I feel a huge drive towards that.

I've improved so much up until now, I've basically been a liberal socialist....

Any ideas..... anyone?

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Rather than push religion away, I would suggest you draw it closer.
I've no knowledge of the religious group of which you speak.

Thorn is offline Thorn
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I have no religious background. I think right now if I could push a button and all the Christians in the world would die I would push that button in a heart beat.

I'm starting to think in German... I haven't spoken a word of it in about 4 years but I'm suddenly drawn to it...

And I listen to Wagner for hours.

What is wrong with me?!

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You come to a poor place to find out, Thorn.
Any minute now, negative waves are going to wash over this thread.

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You come to a poor place to find out, Thorn.
Any minute now, negative waves are going to wash over this thread.


what do you expect? he's (probally) drunk and (definately) wallowing in self pity?

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Paint your whole body in black and go to one of those Nazi groups. You'll quickly regain your senses.

Thorn is offline Thorn
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I'm not drunk. I had a major reaction when they doubled my anxiety medication, so I went back down on it. Unless you think that could of caused this?!!?

I dunno... talk some sense into me, I am so isolated that I won't get it if not here. Hell I don't have anyone on IM who talks to me anymore.

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Your angry, and understandibly so...

Your regressing to a time when you felt angry more and dealing with it in the only way you know how; anti-semitic thoughts and nazi-like emotions...

The fact that you know it is wrong makes you even more compelled to follow it, because for some reason your anger wants to make you self destruct.

Find another way to deal with anger, you need to let out. Exercise or even better go down to a gym and take up boxing or martial arts, that how should help over time. As for right now, go down to the gym and see if you can go a few rounds boxing or fighting... I have a friend who, whenever he gets mad, lets another friend of mine whomp on him... He says it really helps, if he didn't get his arse kicked he usually ends up in a lot of trouble.

Don't revert to your old ways, find new ones to get you through... Preferably healthy ones.

Thorn is offline Thorn
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Your regressing to a time when you felt angry more and dealing with it in the only way you know how; anti-semitic thoughts and nazi-like emotions...


I dunno if my thoughts are anti-semitic in the traditional sense, though I am starting to hate jews and christians but for religious not racial reasons... end result probably is the same no doubt.

My best friend is Jewish.... and I've been intentionally not emailing her back for months (she is stationed in Japan). She is pregenant and I think that upset me a lot, probably because she was the only female I ever thought I could have a relationship with.... but her strong religious values.... I dunno.... What I am doing is wrong and self-destructive.... it is not right to ignore your best friend....

The more I think about this all, the more upset I am getting. This is the exact kind of thing that makes me wished I would have commited suicide when I was depressed and had the ability to.

I have this game called return to castle wolfenstein which is a remake of Wolfenstein3d old shoot up nazis game... anyways I put this patch on it that changes all the Nazi uniformed soldiers and officers to women wearing uniforms. Is this related?

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Trolls, again...

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Got spare money?

No this isn't fun and games, I'll start one of those later, when I'm not falling apart.

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"lately" he says!

I've never laughed so hard on the inside in my life!

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You come to a poor place to find out, Thorn.
Any minute now, negative waves are going to wash over this thread.


You called me?

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Thorn, get out of North Carolina while you still can and head West! ... but I know, it's easy to say this than it is to actually do it.

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I'd say you need perspective more than anything else. Romantic rejection is bad, but it shouldn't make you hate the world. Drop a brick on your toe. The subsequent introduction of real physical pain into your worldview should make you drop the goth charade real quick. If that doesn't work, you need antidepressants.

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Thorn -- you sound too great of a guy to become anything near as bad as a Nazi -- but then again, I guess I'm being presumptuous since I don't know you personally.

But I would like to think that you're a cool, caring guy. I hope you find SOME way out of your problems.

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If you ever get the chance to push that button.... just do it.

Extreme passionate senseless hatred is usually the effects of self-loathing.

Some Cristians really are cool.... if they do not go to church, that is. And Judaism.... well that Zionist crap is nonsense, that is causing a lot of problems.

The world is full of hate. If you try and make a change, you'll get steam rolled. Keep your passion, as you get older it will find ways to express itself more constructively.

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As Japher says, stress out by exercizing. Boxing or martial arts are good (boxing is even better because it really focuses on beating the crap out of your opponent, rather than on a self-discipline).

Get out of North Carolina, and go to a tolerant place like San Francisco (if affordable). Do not care about the *******s who try to convert people out of homosexuality: in a conservative society, we are bounded to suffer from this kind of guys, and the best thing is to ignore them.

Share your distress with your good friends. Some will disappoint you, but the others will be patient and try to be helpful. Don't be enraged when you'll be disappointed, because true friends always disappoint some time.

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North Carolina is hell, I wish I could get out... I just don't know how to now.

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come to the netherlands ...tolerant as hell...i dont know if this helps but when i am upset or mad about someone and there views i always try to think what kind of affect does it have on me directly...that they are shortsided and not-so-smart is there problem and if they try to bother me about it they are even more stupid because i dont care about them and there views. you just have to care about your self and your friends.

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So Thorn you're angry with this girl because she went out and had sex with another man? As a homosexual were you really interested in a relationship with her or just the idea that there was a close female friend that you might possibly be able to have a traditional relationship with?

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Thorn: California is always open to you...

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Sorry about my previous post. I reacted a little too strongly to the bits about my religion being evil because of the distorted notions of some guys I never met.

Rather than violent outward disciplines like boxing or martial arts, I would focus on arts of self-control. Displacing rage onto physical objects is often helpful, but in your case the rage shouldn't be there in the first place; you're immensely angry and you don't know why, and that's the real problem here. So you might do better to try and know yourself and cut the problem off at its source. Meditation comes to mind, for a non-religious person like yourself. Or psychoanalysis, or whatever. Until you get this crap out of your system for good, any attempts to vent it would be suppression of the symptoms rather than an actual cure.

Calm yourself somehow; tea, thorazine, deep breathing, it doesn't matter. You say you know you shouldn't be feeling this way. That's a sensible thought. Follow it through. You can think about buttons of doom all you want, but they aren't going to appear, so focus instead on what you can realistically do. I don't know you personally so I don't know what that might be. Talk to friends, like these other guys said. Priests are specifically trained to handle this kind of crisis, but obviously that won't do so I'd suggest a shrink, a teacher, your doctor, or just about anybody else who's dedicated his/her life to helping others.

Most of all, try to think about what you're thinking and why you're thinking it. There's no profit in brooding over the same idea endlessly, so stop and ask yourself why you're doing it. Don't bother with guilt or self-pity; nobody is watching your thoughts (as far as you're concerned, anyway), so you might as well concentrate on viewing your impulses as just another problem in need of a solution, as there's nobody sitting in your head to feel sorry or angry at you, other than you yourself.

Find distractions. Read up on Nazi ideology-not just loose statements, but what it really says at the core-and make your own, INFORMED decision as to whether this is something you believe in. Don't define yourself as "a liberal socialist," or whatever. There's more to you than pat political synopses, so find out what that more is. Beliefs are only useful insofar as they affect your daily life, after all.

I hope some of that helped...

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Read up on Nazi ideology-not just loose statements, but what it really says at the core-and make your own, INFORMED decision as to whether this is something you believe in. Don't define yourself as "a liberal socialist," or whatever. There's more to you than pat political synopses, so find out what that more is. Beliefs are only useful insofar as they affect your daily life, after all.


You're not serious with this part -- seriously considering embracing Nazism??

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Nazism is the most evil philosophy you can embrace. I embraced at one point, the beliefs of Mussolini. Once I understood my mistakes, I changed. Do not, I REPEAT DO NOT embrace Nazism.

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You're not serious with this part -- seriously considering embracing Nazism??


I don't view that as the big issue here. He doesn't understand himself, he says. The key thing for him to do, then, is to think about what he believes in and why he doesn't understand himself in the first place. Hopefully he'll decide he's better than hate-drivel, but one way or another he's got to confront the idea. IMO.

The paragraph you quoted was a little misleading though; the latter half belonged in a separate paragraph, and had nothing to do with Nazism. My bad. I was just saying that you shouldn't define how good or bad of a person you are by your abstract political ideologies.

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What is "abstract" of how the original Nazis murdered 12 million people???

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Gah. I just said it had nothing to do with the Nazis. I was referring to the part where he fretted that not being a "liberal socialist" made him a bad person, or some such.

And I think it was 11 million. Anyway, while the ideology is evil, believing in it may not make you a bad person so much as a stupid one, or a person who fails to grasp the seriousness of the situation. Believing isn't the same as doing.

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control. it's all about control.

know that your emotions are transient and mercurial. know that logic is not.

know that your mind must dominate your heart. do not let your heart dominate your mind.

it's hard to do it at first; creating the dichotomy between mind and heart. once you do it, it's a lot easier to manipulate both.

once you have control, you can let cold logic drive most of your actions, particularly if you ever feel anger, or rage boiling. use that logic to destroy that anger, destroy that rage, or harness it into something constructive, like righting wrongs and fixing broken things.

 
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