30-10-2003 11:43									#1
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Judging by traffic on Civ 2 related sites, there's still a lot of interest in this 7 year old game. So, my question is: are the people currently enjoying the game all sad geeks (such as myself ), or has Civ 2 become retro and hip with todays young folks?

	30-10-2003 15:20									#2
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I don't think it's retro - at least not in the same way that Space Invaders or Pacman is, but it's quite simply the best Civ game. Civ 3 made improvements on Civ 2, but also cocked certain things up and although many will consider it the better game, particularly those who have never played Civ 2 (), it is basically a matter or personal choice and we happy few (hundred, on the various websites at least ) have chosen the second incarnation of Civ to fulfil our megalomanic needs!
Civ 2 - It's cheaper than running for President and there's less outcry when you want to play with nukes!

	30-10-2003 17:30									#3
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Civ 2 - simply the best!

	01-11-2003 18:18									#4
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The fact that we still play it is a true testament to its depth and versatility.

	01-11-2003 20:37									#5
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Doing a thing because it is considered retro seems to imply that the thing is only being done because it is old. Judging by the comments of the folk who frequent here, this group is far from being the shallow, empty-headed trend followers that the term retro calls to mind. We are far too witty, sophisticated, intelligent and subtle of thought to do something because it is old!!

I am quite sure we "still play Civ2" because we love it. There is no other like it. It is the best!!!

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	01-11-2003 22:01									#6
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quote: Originally posted by Bloody Monk I am quite sure we "still play Civ2" because we love it. There is no other like it. It is the best!!! Monk being

100% agreed

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	02-11-2003 05:48									#7
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Not all of us consider ourselves geeks, but it is not cutting-edge or super popular.

	02-11-2003 21:54									#8
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I'm a geek

	02-11-2003 22:56									#9
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Of course we must admit that it's retro. How else could we otherwise brag that we are old skool retro gamers?

	03-11-2003 05:34									#10
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Bah!

Since Civ2 is clearly the superior product it could never be retro—not until the DOS/Windows based platform itself is retro.

That day may come sooner that the experts think. Judging by massive resource hog XP, Windows may extinct itself in the face of Open Source OS.

	03-11-2003 18:23									#11
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CivIII sucked. So the only alternative for us die hards was to continue playing II.

RAH
Die hards sounds better than geeks

	03-11-2003 22:05									#12
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And it's more accurate.

	04-11-2003 06:04									#13
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If I read the forums correctly, Civ 3 has about twice as many total posts as Civ 2 (~327,000+ vs. ~168,000+). That simple evidence suggests that Civ 3 is currently more popular than Civ 2. But, for a game that's about seven years old to be drawing half as much attention as its two?-year-old offspring is pretty impressive, I think. As others have said, it's just a much better game. (Of course, different opinions might be found on some other forum .)

	04-11-2003 10:23									#14
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quote: Originally posted by debeest If I read the forums correctly, Civ 3 has about twice as many total posts as Civ 2 (~327,000+ vs. ~168,000+). That simple evidence suggests that Civ 3 is currently more popular than Civ 2.

Or they're better spammers

	04-11-2003 14:53									#15
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It is undoubtedly true that more people play Civ3. However, the point about Civ2's age is a telling one. We have to wait until Civ3 has been around for 7 years and see if it still has the pull Civ2 has now.

	04-11-2003 20:07									#16
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I thought that the retro label was reserved for something that went out of fashion, and then back into fashion -- some of us don’t seem to recognize the wheels of fashion movement.

	04-11-2003 20:22									#17
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quote: Originally posted by DrSpike It is undoubtedly true that more people play Civ3. However, the point about Civ2's age is a telling one. We have to wait until Civ3 has been around for 7 years and see if it still has the pull Civ2 has now.

That would be about five years from now.

But wait!! We few, we hardy few, will then say, "Let's see how many folk are playing Civ3 after IT has been out 12 years." Assuming there are any...

Monk

	05-11-2003 02:50									#18
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quote: Originally posted by debeest If I read the forums correctly, Civ 3 has about twice as many total posts as Civ 2 (~327,000+ vs. ~168,000+). That simple evidence suggests that Civ 3 is currently more popular than Civ 2. But, for a game that's about seven years old to be drawing half as much attention as its two?-year-old offspring is pretty impressive, I think. As others have said, it's just a much better game. (Of course, different opinions might be found on some other forum .)

Since about 2/3 of those 327k were from people *****ing about the game, I don't think they should count towards proving it's popularity.

	07-11-2003 03:04									#19
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no doubt about it in my mind...Civ 2 is my favorite game of all time...it's been over 5 years since I first played, and I STILL love it!!! I'll be playing it 20 years from now...and it'll definitely be retro by then

	13-11-2003 03:31									#20
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I have used Civ 3 to get people into civ 2, so it that can work, the younger will badly while the older will reighn forever... i hope...

	13-11-2003 03:38									#21
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I've been trying to do the same with my nephews...they convinced me to buy Civ3, but to be honest, I only played a few times and then came back to the best! I think Civ2 will always be my favorite game

	13-11-2003 12:29									#22
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Civ2 is as fascinating as chess.

	14-11-2003 05:44									#23
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I may be alone in this, but the one thing that I enjoy so much in civ 3 over civ 2 is the change to unit support.

in my eyes, that improvement alone makes civ3 the preferable choice to load up.

and I love civ, from 1 on up.

on the other hand, the one thing in civ 2 that civ 3 has yet to match in any way is the animated advisors.

it's almost as if the two games are a draw because each one has elements that are great, but at the same time, they lack the great elements of the other...

	14-11-2003 11:09									#24
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Civ 2 is better. Simple as that.

	14-11-2003 11:29									#25
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its not retro, its hip man

	14-11-2003 11:40									#26
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quote: Originally posted by vee4473 I may be alone in this, but the one thing that I enjoy so much in civ 3 over civ 2 is the change to unit support.

In this forum we don't often hear praise for Civ III. How is unit support different in Civ III?

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	14-11-2003 21:50									#27
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It's done as gold and subtracted from your empire, so you never get a single city shortage that disbands units.

Gold makes more sense then production. But the rest of civIII shortcomings make CIVII the preferred choice.

	14-11-2003 21:59									#28
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I don't know what everyone else considers shortcomings in Civ III, I never really gave it a chance. I bought the first release and it's now collecting dust under my computer desk. I guess what I disliked most was the way you had to move units. I guess I'm just set in my ways with Civ II.

	16-11-2003 08:49									#29
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real men play civ 2

	18-11-2003 04:38									#30
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quote: Originally posted by Hydey real men play civ 2