31-10-2003 08:50									#1
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If we keep building spears and let Buffet grow to pop 5, we can get 10 spt for a time by working the furs forest (which will slow down growth). However, Chow Mein is finally on the last 5-turn settler; it can start building 4-turn settlers after this, but only if it has access to the bonus grass SE-SE of Buffet during the three turns it's at pop 5 for shield production. So whenever we do a 4-turn settler, that will prevent 10spt until we get one more of the bonus grasses to Buffet's NE mined, and without a worker from Buffet, we'll have wait for another worker to become available. (This could be done with Chow, which would extend the time Buffet can keep the grass SE-SE of the city by the two turns it would take to build the worker. Building a worker next in Chow would not disturb its ability to do four turn settlers, but would delay the next settler by 2 turns.)

	31-10-2003 08:59									#2
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I think the 10spt in Buffet is great for now, and I'd prefer to get a new worker out of Chow as soon as it's finished it's next settler. We need more workers, but Buffet is great for military. Chow's settler can be put on hold.

BTW, I'd also recommend getting a few warriors out for eventual upgrade to swordsmen as well.

	31-10-2003 09:06									#3
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Hmm, warriors would be an option at 10 spt. Definitely something to think about.

I'm leaning toward a spear in Buffet now. If Chow keeps doing settlers, Buffet will not get to take advantage of the 10 spt before Chow needs some of the shields for settlers. But if we build a worker next in Chow, Buffet can do a 2-turn spear (or 2 1-turn warriors?) before Chow sends Buffet off the bonus river grass. So long as this new Chow warrior is sent straight to work near Buffet, the completion of the mines needed for 10 spt will only be delayed 3 turns compared to building the worker for them in Buffet now.

	31-10-2003 09:11									#4
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quote: Originally posted by Kloreep Hmm, warriors would be an option at 10 spt. Definitely something to think about. I'm leaning toward a spear in Buffet now. If Chow keeps doing settlers, Buffet will not get to take advantage of the 10 spt before Chow needs some of the shields for settlers. But if we build a worker next in Chow, Buffet can do a 2-turn spear (or 2 1-turn warriors?) before Chow sends Buffet off the bonus river grass. So long as this new Chow warrior is sent straight to work near Buffet, the completion of the mines needed for 10 spt will only be delayed 3 turns compared to building the worker for them in Buffet now.

My sentiments exactly. I'd say still go for the 2-turn spear in Buffet first and then we can start pumping a few warriors. Our new settler from Chow will need an escort. We should probably think about where the new settler will be going too.

	31-10-2003 09:22									#5
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quote: Originally posted by Rhothaerill My sentiments exactly. I'd say still go for the 2-turn spear in Buffet first and then we can start pumping a few warriors.

The problem is that warriors (and workers too BTW ) are very inefficient to build at 7-9 spt, because they still take 2 turns as if you were producing 5 spt, but you can get a turn off 20 shield projects to bring build time down to 3, 1 turn less than at 5 spt. So I wouldn't support building warriors in Buffet until we get to 10 spt; then we can start building them in 1 turn whenever we want. But, there will be a temporary cutoff once Chow starts building settlers again, for Buffet will then go back down below 10 spt until enough mines are built; that is why I think we should consider building the warriors as soon as we get 10spt.

Besides, they wouldn't go to waste. We're garrisoning both Buffet and Chow with 2 spears each just because of MP; I'm sure they could get by defensibly with 1 spear and 1 warrior each, and that would free up 2 spears for other things at the price of 2 turns of warrior construction.

	31-10-2003 09:43									#6
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quote: Originally posted by Kloreep So I wouldn't support building warriors in Buffet until we get to 10 spt;

Neither would I. I meant that we should build them when we get up to 10spt, but I have a habit of not always being clear with what I mean.

	01-11-2003 01:02									#7
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I guess I didn't make it clear either. That probably was an excessive post. I mean that I think we should use our two turns of 10 spt to build 2 1-turn warriors rather than a 2-turn spear.