01-11-2003 06:55									#1
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Back in business. Let's start planning BEFORE then turn comes in.

--Togas

	01-11-2003 12:46									#2
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Hopefully GS will have gifted back Toledo and NM. Otherwise, very little planning to do, we have little attack forces.

I will try to get GS to give us Horse's for one turn, then we declare war on them in order to give it back to them(it's the only way to do it, this game's tade/diplomacy features are not complete). This would allow us to upgrade our one Horse to Knight and to start builds for Knights in all of our cities (4 of them). Once the builds are started, it doesn't matter if we have Horses or not, we can finish those builds as long as we don't change production mid build.

	01-11-2003 15:57									#3
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today was my birthday and there's another drinking party tomorrow



Congratulations, Arnelos


EDIT : sorry, I've editet your post by mistake

Last edited by astrologix on 01-11-2003 at 16:32

	02-11-2003 15:01									#4
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Theseus wrote to me saying that he sent Arnelos Screen shots and plans for the war. Where are they exactly?

	02-11-2003 18:22									#5
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Arnelos, stop alcoholizing yourself and send us the screens!

	03-11-2003 15:54									#6
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Congratulations Arnelos, how unfortunate that I checked this forum but today, otherwise I could have taken a lastminute flight to attend to your party ...


... If I'd had the money of course .

Back on topic:
What I but wonder about is why we would produce expensive knights instead of cheap pikemen when our defences are low?
Isn't it better to build up a defensive force in Pamplona to defend it against Riders and Ansars? The ND-GoW attackforce of about 30 ansars and 40 riders has still to attack and we can't rely on GS alone for our defense.
Second argument in favor of pikemen is that when the musketteer makes his entry on the battlefield, knights, Riders and Ansars become more dated. Pikemen are easily upgraded to musketteers and provide excellent defense against knight/Rider/Ansar attacks after the upgrade. Why then produce a few expensive units of which GS has a lot, knowing that they will soon become dated?

I suggest that we concentrate on what is our strength: building up defence forces against the main attackforce and therefore concentrating on pikemen while GS concentrates on counter-attack forces of knights and assisting defensive forces consisting of pikemen.

Diomingo Cian

	05-11-2003 00:50									#7
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We have the save here. I've posted it at the intended thread.

The good news: The 19 veteran and 1 elite GS knights are still there.

The bad news: We can see one (for the moment just one) ND musketman.

Some other things:

- We have back New Madrid, Toledo, New Madrid, and Toledo (They offered each city twice to us )
- Barcelona finishes the barracks!

Important:
Right of passage with GS finish this turn. We should send them another RoP offer using the diplo screen.

Screenshots coming

	05-11-2003 01:08									#8
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I've loaded the save and I have a strange effect : when I double-click on Toledo or New Madrid my PTW crashes ! Anyone has this behavior too ?

	05-11-2003 01:40									#10
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quote: Originally posted by astrologix I've loaded the save and I have a strange effect : when I double-click on Toledo or New Madrid my PTW crashes ! Anyone has this behavior too ?

I've checked and it doesn't crash with me. Maybe someone else can tell if his computer crashes or not?

	05-11-2003 04:54									#11
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It crashes on me as well....

I have no time to investigate right now though.

	05-11-2003 06:11									#12
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I have the save as well.

We play tonight in chat.

--Togas

	05-11-2003 08:36									#13
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Damnit!

When I clicked on Toledo to adjust the WF the game crashed!!

Just reloaded. Can't get into New Madrid either. This is horrible.

Do we report this to Trip?

--Togas

	05-11-2003 08:40									#14
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I just tried to use the F1 key to get to the cities. Game crashes again, however, it may be a problem that continues to exist until I reset my computer.

Please, if anyone else else has the save, open it up and test it.

--Togas

	05-11-2003 09:35									#15
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quote: Originally posted by OliverFA Important: Right of passage with GS finish this turn. We should send them another RoP offer using the diplo screen.

Wasn't there earlier bugs with RoP?

	05-11-2003 13:07									#16
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I wonder if the cause of the crash isn't that GS has sent to us Toledo and New Madrid twice.

	05-11-2003 13:21									#17
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Ok.

I have been able to access NM and Toledo by first accessing Pamplona then using the arrow keys to rotate to the other cities. I'm attaching a screen shot here that seems to show a part of the problem. It shows that the citizens of GS instaed of our own. It also shows only 3 citizens when there are 7 on the WF screen. We may be able to play this way and pass it onwards. I think we should try and see what happens.

	05-11-2003 18:17									#18
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I think that we shouldnīt try things out and see what happens. If loss of production occurs, that gives ND-GoW another advantage. Letīs report this.

Also thing that the more delay we get,. the "sooner", in terms of turns, Lego will side with us, the less turns are played without Lego, the less turns we achieve a relative loss to when Lego would side with us.
Lets delay this and use the time to work out an alliance so that the first thing Nimitz can do when he comes in charge is approving this.

Second; what do we going to produce right now, Knights, MI or pikes? I can hardly access the game because Iīve got the internetconnection at another PC than my own PC with PTW.

Third; for those of you who are going to play the game, Iīd like to have another division of soldiers to lead. Perhaps you could select a nice one and name it Lord Aidunīs Regiment?

Oliver, Yes there was a bug with the RoPīs

Fourth; we also need to report the information we have to GS, especially about the Musketman, and perhaps even more important, to Lego, to show them that ND-GoW is now a serious thread to future world peace, that it is now or never, now or too late. we must have the technology and saltpeter to keep standing against the Axis of Evil.

To his Royal Highness:
Your grace, when will your coronation be? [ooc]Iīm sure we could make a nice story of that and do as our teamname suggests: roleplaying. If weīd loose the war itīll be too late for it. [/ooc]

Respectfully,

Lord Aidun Cian, son of the perished Aidun Cian.

	05-11-2003 23:38									#19
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Looking at the screenshot of New Madrid, those are CHINESE people in there! What the hell? We've never captured any GoW workers and merged them, and they've never owned the city.

Can we have GS replay the turn and just offer the cities to us ONCE? That might fix the problem.

--Togas

	06-11-2003 01:07									#20
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I have loaded the game through the MP PBEM screen. It seems to work fine that way. I can access all cities with out it crashing. The only thing that is different than from before is that the cities that were gifted back to us this turn, Toledo and NM. Those cities have shields in the box. Previously, when we recieved a gifted city, we lost production for that turn. There were no shields in the box. The shileds that are produced from the other team having it were also lost in the past. This way, the shileds, since the other Civ gave it to you during their last turn, end up being applied to the new cities owner.

The RoP is intact as are all trade deals. I think we just found a way around this bug.

What do you guys think?

To load the game this way, choose MP, then choose PBEM, then choose "load game" under game types, then choose the current save sent to us. That is it. I think this was the way it was intended to be played. At the end of your turn, the game reminds you whom to send the next turn to.

	06-11-2003 01:15									#21
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BigFree, I've loaded the game through the MP PBEM screen and it crashes when I double-click on the gifted cities.

I agree with Togas, GS should replay te turn.

	06-11-2003 01:29									#22
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It does not crash for me.

Upon the game loading up I choose:

MultiPlayer-->Play by email--> go to "Game Mode" and choose "load game"--->choose current save sent to us by GoW---set turn timer to "none"---enter password and play.

The game does not crash on me, I can play the whole turn, and go into every city. I am using 1.27f

	06-11-2003 02:03									#23
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Ok, in a second try it works for me. But I have chinese inhabitants in Toledo and New Madrid too.

And I noticed that we have two GS cities, Harry's Hideout and The Voice. Is that normal ?

	06-11-2003 02:05									#24
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Yes, they gifted those to us in an attempt to ensure that we are not wiped out of the game. I noticed the Chineses WF as well, but the game does not crash though.

	06-11-2003 03:16									#25
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IF everything is kosher with the save and we have faith that this bug will not cause future crashes, then let's play the save via the load method BF describes.

In fact, I'm perfectly happy with BF playing this turn and posting the results. I'll be at work for the next 4 hours and too busy to do it.

If, however, we have doubts about the stability of the save, we should request the whole turn be replayed.

I'll leave the final decision to BigFree (who has found a way to get the save working) and check back here when I get home to see what the results are.

--Togas

	06-11-2003 05:40									#26
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I have played and sent to Vox. I will post screens when I get home from work. We have 192 gold while making 32 gpt. I gifted our WM to GS. All builds set to Pike.