02-11-2003 01:34									#1
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Este es el thread oficial de la diplomacia con MAST.

Por el momento es necesario coordinar la tecnologia con ellos y con Sunshine para no repetir.

Asi pues les ofreci algo similar a lo de sunshine con respecto a exploracion y el siguiente pacto:

Nosotros: HBR + BW + Poly (20)

Ellos: Masonry (4) + Philosophy (6) + CoL/Lit (10) = 20

esto quedaria totalmente parejo y evite que recibamos techs de dos civs (como seria con Mysticism que nos va a dar Sunshine)

Por cierto, a mi se me olvidó postear el tratado completo con Sunshine asi que lo he posteado ahora en el thread de relaciones sexteriores. Disculpen

	02-11-2003 01:36									#2
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la correspondencia con OPD:

quote: quote Muwhhahhahahhhahhwhhhwwhwwwwwwwwwww Prepare to loose the city of Perla. Guess which 2 teams now have contact in the PTWDG? Apologies for the intrusion into your lands but I wanted contact. The JW will leave immediately. We're actually planning on peace for a good while. So whats the story then, how are Latin Lover and do you want to trade some techs, we have Masonry and Mysticism that you don't have. Do you have contact with anyone else? opd, MAST

mi respuesta

quote: Greetings fair and wise MAST! We are honored to have contact with you, and we are quite interested in trading techs as well as having a long-lasting peaceful relationship. I have discussed the following trade with our team and would like to present it to you since as of this turn we have 2 techs which you don't (HBR, BW) and you have two that we don't. It is a long term deal since we have contact already with another civ and do not want either of us three to repeat techs. We offer: HBR (5) + Bronze Working (3) + Polytheism (12). We receive from you: Masonry (4) + Philosophy (6) + Code of Laws or Literature (10) that's a 20 - 20 deal. We can trade the techs as soon as we begin getting them. as for exploring, we would be interesting in a exploration pact: we are free to explore around our lands as long as we stay 1 tile from our borders. Should any of us need to stray on to the tile directly outside (say, to kill a barb), he must inform the other. Sound ok? Please discuss and get back to me on it. Best regards! -Master "Rico Suave" Zen

	02-11-2003 23:10									#3
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Bueno, parece que los MAST estan bastante interesados en negociaciones con nosotros, puesto que ahora me PM'earon a mi tambien.

Aqui los PM's :

quote: Hello from team MAST, as you may already know I've spoken to MZ although he hasn't seen the last message yesterday. We will have BW by the time you get the save. Your offer is interesting, however we'd like for you to receive the techs of Masonry and Mysticism from us. Do you have a tech agreement currently with Sunshine? It would be a good idea to co-ordinate between the 3 of us before an agreement is made. There is more I'd like to discuss, can you tell me how long ago you first made contact with SS? opd

Mi respuesta :

quote: Greetings from Latin Lover Team. Yes, we know about the conversations you have with MZ. But, as you said, we've already a tech agreement with Team Sunshine. Yes, we need to coordinate this very well. Btw, I was trying to find out which are the e-mails of sunshines. If you know which are they, be glad to send them to me please. And, about the time we have contacted Sunshines, well, you see. I'm by the time leader of the Team, but I don't have many experience with this kind of games, so, I don't know if I'm allowed to answer that. Sorry, but I think you'll comprehend me. Let me ask to the veterans in this, ok? Thanks. Best regards, The Slayer - Gran Miembro of the Latin Lover.

Y su respuesta :

quote: Ok that's understandable, there is information we'd like to share with you as a sign of goodwill and perhaps to help build a good relationship between us. here are the adress' of who I send the save to. whitebandito/yahoo/com, tom_ogas/yahoo/com, ruby_maser/hotmail/com, royparrish/earthlink/net, bigfree1/attbi/com

Espero haber procedido de acuerdo al "protocolo" de diplomacia. Asi mismo, MZ, para que no pasen situaciones similares, seria muy util que en cada 1er post de cada embajada que tengamos, incluyeras los mails de los jugadores de estos equipos. Gracias.

	03-11-2003 03:49									#4
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No me he comunicado con ellos via mail sino via PM (en el caso de OPD). Da lo mismo usar mail que PM. La comunicacion con sunshine la hice via mail porque tambien tenia otros asuntos que tratar con Togas sobre los otros demo games.

	03-11-2003 04:48									#5
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chat con OPD

resumen: van a ver lo de HBR/Poly x CoL/Philo, les eche un choro de que tenemos que ir por Republica rapido.

Tambien acordaron en vendernos Masonry por 50g. Podemos mandarles la $$ este turno (sin aceptar).

Otra cosa, nos confesaron que Tabemono tambien esta en este continente, aparentemente mas alla de sunshine y MAST.

quote: [16:41] [MasterZen] hey, can we talk some PTWDG II stuff_ [16:42] [opd22] yeah [16:42] [MasterZen] cool [16:42] [MasterZen] we're still trying to think up of a tech deal that is best for the 3 of us.. [16:43] [opd22] theres more you need to know first [16:43] [MasterZen] ? [16:43] [opd22] I don't know if it's in our best interest to tell but, there is another nation clost by [16:43] [MasterZen] near you? [16:43] [opd22] that we and SS have contact with [16:43] [MasterZen] ahhh [16:44] [MasterZen] I assume then that you three are already coordinating techs then [16:44] [opd22] although they seem to be under the impression that it's just the 3 of us on this continent [16:44] [MasterZen] well if it weren't for that isthmus it would [16:44] [opd22] no we aren't even co-ordinating with SS [16:45] [MasterZen] well we have a couple of warriors down there, I guess we'll eventually found out who it is [16:45] [opd22] they sold us BW but were have no agreements in place [16:45] [opd22] we could direct you [16:45] [MasterZen] nice, we'd appreciate it [16:45] [opd22] they aren't as close as us or SS [16:45] * MasterZen takes a wild guess at it being Monkey [16:46] [opd22] no [16:46] [MasterZen] hehe [16:46] [MasterZen] ok, how about this [16:46] [MasterZen] we just got HBR this turn (or this coming one I forget) [16:46] [MasterZen] we will then go for Poly after sunshine gives us myst [16:47] [opd22] we researched that [16:47] [MasterZen] poly? [16:47] [opd22] no myst [16:47] [opd22] not that it matters [16:47] [MasterZen] well, we would be interested in trading you HBR and Poly [16:48] [opd22] yeah we could do that [16:48] [opd22] although you are likely to research faster [16:48] [MasterZen] it's worth 17 for the both of them, I dunno, perhaps we could get something along those lines, say CoL and Philo [16:48] [opd22] we'd have to get writing first [16:48] [opd22] but that sounds good [16:48] [MasterZen] sunshine has it [16:49] [opd22] oh [16:49] [MasterZen] or were working on it [16:49] [opd22] yeah I heard they were [16:50] [MasterZen] anyway, it doesn't matter as long as you get them eventually [16:50] [MasterZen] it's not like we're going to get Poly next turn [16:50] [opd22] if perhaps we were to (after getting writing) all the way to Rep do you think we'd likely be able to trade those 3 around for all other AE techs [16:50] [MasterZen] perhaps [16:50] [MasterZen] let's see... [16:50] [MasterZen] we will start Poly this or next turn [16:50] [opd22] Rep should be a priority for us all [16:51] [MasterZen] what tech are you guys doing? [16:51] [opd22] were not ATM [16:51] [opd22] were figured it'd be better to wait and buy writing then do one [16:52] [opd22] we finished wheel a few turns ago only to find that everyone else had it [16:52] [MasterZen] if we agree on a trade for HBR + Poly we can give you HBR immediately [16:53] [opd22] would you still like to recieve masonry from us? [16:53] [MasterZen] well in theory yes problem is we thought we could put BW on the table for it, we have nothing else to offer atm for it [16:54] [opd22] we could give you it upfront, as a deposit [16:55] [MasterZen] maybe we can then arragne something for Republic, perhaps we can do republic once you guys get us CoL and Phil and then discount the price of Masonry from it [16:55] [opd22] yeah that sounds good [16:55] [opd22] although we'd have to check we can trade it to SS aswell first [16:56] [MasterZen] masonry? [16:56] [opd22] yeah? [16:56] [opd22] no [16:56] [opd22] sorry [16:56] [MasterZen] ah, republic? [16:56] [opd22] yeah [16:57] [opd22] on a side note the other civ we have contact with is neither Python or Cake [16:57] [MasterZen] that only leaves the fat boys [16:57] [opd22] I think it's very possible that these 2 will team up [16:58] [opd22] yeah the fat dudes it is [16:58] [MasterZen] btw, would you be interested in us buying masonry from you guys? [16:58] [opd22] yeah sure [16:58] [MasterZen] it's just an idea, I don't know if the team thinks it's a priority [16:59] [opd22] how are LL for land? [16:59] [MasterZen] if it weren't for the isthmus we'd be in effect a medium-sized island [16:59] [opd22] do you have enough to keep you happy? [17:00] [MasterZen] for the moment yes I guess [17:00] [opd22] isthmus? [17:00] [MasterZen] a heart-shaped island no less... [17:00] [opd22] [17:00] [MasterZen] panzer apprently had fun making those maps [17:00] [opd22] I think Panzer altered the map quite alot [17:00] [MasterZen] here's an idea [17:01] [MasterZen] perhaps we can but masonry from you and that $$ will help you buy writing quick [17:01] [opd22] are you suggesting we screw SS over? [17:02] [opd22] perhaps with us buying Writing then giving it to you? [17:02] [MasterZen] no, so you can start on CoL and Philo [17:02] [opd22] ok [17:02] [MasterZen] we're getting writing from them too [17:02] [opd22] ah how much are they asking? [17:02] [MasterZen] I have no clue, it's part of our tech trade [17:03] [opd22] do you have IW? [17:03] [MasterZen] yes [17:03] [opd22] do SS? [17:03] [MasterZen] i don't know [17:04] [opd22] we could really do with IW [17:04] [opd22] and we have money to split the difference between IW and masonry [17:05] [MasterZen] why not you guys try to get a tech from Tabemono then trade it to us for IW? I'd rather you guys get more money for writing so we can get Rep first [17:07] [opd22] ok well have a look into it [17:08] [MasterZen] cool, we can sell it regardless, no problem [17:08] [opd22] we have to see how much SS want for writing [17:08] [opd22] can we offer you Masonry next turn? [17:08] [MasterZen] sure, what would be the market price for it? [17:08] [MasterZen] 4 x 24 or something like that? [17:09] [opd22] nah [17:09] [opd22] that would be research cost [17:09] * MasterZen forgot the tech cost formula [17:09] [opd22] you can have it for half research cost [17:09] [opd22] I think the research factor is about 26 [17:10] [opd22] so 26 * 4 / 2 [17:10] [opd22] call it 50 [17:10] [MasterZen] I suck at tech trades [17:10] [opd22] we paid 40g for BW [17:11] [MasterZen] ok [17:11] [opd22] cool [17:11] [MasterZen] so, you guys also like the idea of HBR + Poly for CoL + Philo? [17:11] [opd22] yeah [17:11] [MasterZen] perfect [17:11] [opd22] we can't really commit to it though [17:12] [MasterZen] when can you give us an answer? [17:12] [opd22] we might tell the fat guys you're around asweel [17:12] [opd22] we'll have to speak to SS first [17:12] [MasterZen] yeah tell them [17:12] [opd22] Arny hasn't been around much lately [17:12] [MasterZen] yeah I wonder what's up with him... [17:13] [opd22] Tabemono are very much like lego [17:13] [MasterZen] lol [17:13] [opd22] they have some kind of plan were the 3 of us work together as they think were the only ones here [17:14] [opd22] I don't know how long you have had contact with SS, but we'll let them know were not alone [17:15] [MasterZen] ss were the first we got contact with, don't remember, about a month ago IIRC [17:15] [opd22] we explore our entire east coast except for the land bridge to your land [17:16] [opd22] otherwise we would have had contact very quickly [17:16] [MasterZen] hehe [17:17] [opd22] do you plan on building any cities further past Perla? [17:17] [MasterZen] not for the moment [17:18] [opd22] theres a nice bit of jungle between us anyway [17:18] [opd22] we have a sea directly between us and SS [17:18] [MasterZen] yeah, the "continent" seems incredibly foliaged and hilly [17:19] [opd22] I think we got screwed over by start location [17:20] [opd22] at least thats the excuse if we loose [17:21] [MasterZen] lol! [17:28] [MasterZen] do you know who's playing the SS tunrs? [17:28] [opd22] yeah [17:28] [opd22] BF [17:30] [MasterZen] ok gotta go [17:31] [opd22] later [17:31] [MasterZen] nice talking to you, I hope you guys can agree on the CoL + Philo deal, drop me a line if you do [17:31] [opd22] ok [17:31] [MasterZen] cya

	03-11-2003 05:04									#6
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si lo aceptan saldria redondo, los dos pactos nos dejarian a las puertas de la república y con Iron Working en la manga para conseguir de MAST alguna tech más ¿matemáticas, quizás?

Y Zcylen a descubrir a los Tabemono

	03-11-2003 05:11									#7
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Perfecto! .. ahora a buscar a los Tabemoto con Zcylen

	07-11-2003 06:20									#8
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Creo que hay que llegar lo antes posible a un acuerdo con MAST, antes de que sunshine negocie con ellos el Horseback riding que les dimos

	07-11-2003 06:24									#9
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Esto cada vez se pone mas complicado, ahora tenemos que jugar a 4 bandas
Y estoy de acuerdo con Niessuh, no tenemos que dejar que se nos adelanten, las civs que esten mas rápidas son las que mas subiran tecnologicamente....

	11-11-2003 22:01									#10
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excelente, con esto podriamos dar un saltito hacia la cima.

	17-11-2003 23:13									#11
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Bueno, debido a la intromision del jaguar warrior, inmediatamente envie un PM a los MAST para ver que pasaba ahi.

Esto es lo que envie :

quote: ptwdg2 - Jaguar mov. Hi there, hail to the MAST people. Our people have noticed an jaguar warrior near to our lands, and also my diplomats have told me about some gold you're giving to us. I supponse you want to explore inside and our territory. But, unfortunaly, when you continue ahed you'll see a worker bloking the unique pass to our lands. He still have to do a road an a mine. We don't have any problem that you explore, but, I think right now it's gonna be useless for you cause the worker. I suggest you retreat them. In other matters, I wanted to know if you have benn working in our scientific proposal of exchange. We Gave : horseback + Poly You give us : Philo + Code of Laws Well that's al by now. Best Wishes, The Slayer - "Great Member" of Team Latin Lover

La respuesta fue :

quote: Re: ptwdg2 - Jaguar mov. First of all I'd like to appologise for the intrusion. It should not have happened. Although we would like to explore east of Perla I think it's much more important to respect your borders. MAST have been a little pre-occupied recently due to issues regarding the map. Which meant no orders were given for the previous few turns, instead the person playing the turn just did what he wanted. Bongo played the last turn and decided that moving into your land and giving you 5 gold would be a good idea. I and the rest of the team think this is a very very bad idea. I thank you for taking this so lightly. The JW will of course retreat and I will see to it that nothing like this will ever happen again. We can agree to your science proposal of us giving you CoL & Phil for HBR and Poly. We are currently working on CoL. On another issue we would very much like to agree to some kind of non-aggression agreement with team LL. opd

	17-11-2003 23:29									#12
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¡Genial! Además quedamos como los buenos

	18-11-2003 01:39									#13
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Si encuentro a OPD en el chat le voy a hablar de un pacto de no-agresion, digamos por 30 turnos

	18-11-2003 18:51									#14
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quote: ... instead the person playing the turn just did what he wanted. Bongo played the last turn and decided that moving into your land ...

Bongo ha jugado el turno de MAST

Por cierto, ¿quien se a quedado las 5 monedas de oro?

Me parecen bien los 30 turnos de NA, no me gustaria estar en guerra mientras soy el GM

	17-04-2004 17:43									#16
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BUMP

	23-04-2004 20:16									#17
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Como dije en otro lado, hay que ver si es posible tener un hueco con Invention, preguntar a MAST si la tiene o la puede tener pronto como creia Sunshine.

	26-04-2004 03:45									#18
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De acuerdo - casi cada dia veo Togas, E_T y WhiteBandit en la charla, y les preguntare sobre este!

	26-04-2004 06:12									#19
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Mandado a OPD de MAST:

quote: Hail to the MAST! Your quest for the truth is well received in the Latin Lands, where no-one save I speak Spanish. I have a message passed on from my superiors. We are hoping to resume better contact with the truth-seeking MAST, and to this end we hope to coordinate technology research with you. We are at a time that we must decide on a new tech to research, and we know that our supply of propaganda pamphlets newspapers has sadly dried up from MAST recently. Are you researching Invention, as was discussed last, and how far away from completion are you? Also, in view of any potential trades, what would you like us to start on? I bid you good evening, for it is clearly so, as the sun is no longer shining and that big yellow thing in the sky is just a trick made up by the hot mamacitas of the Latin lands to confuse and disorient us, thus forcing us to go out with them more rather than just stay at home and, well, you know... MrWIA Foreign Affairs Consultant/Translator Latin Lovers Team

	10-05-2004 22:53									#20
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enviado a MAST, a ver si dicen esta boca es mia

quote: Greetings! Has been a long time since we last spoke. Congratulations for the consolidation of your growing empire. Do you have Feudalism? we are interested on purchase it. If you want/could, our treasury is 232gold and payment per turn is possible. Just say a (interesting) number :-) We are also open on a stable future tech cooperation. If you have some ideas....

	11-05-2004 12:46									#21
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Recibido de MAST, parece que todos han comprado a Tabemono:

quote: Well we got Feudalism from Tabemono a few turns ago and us selling the tech to you will upset Tabemono. As Tabemono are a serious force in the game, likely capable of destroying us, we don't want to upset them. Perhaps in 20 turns we can give you the technology but you likely won't want to wait that long??? We are currently researching Chivalry, which we must immediately gift to Tabemono and SS as payment for Feudalism and Monothesism. We have no agreements in place to aquire any other technologies. Also thanks for noticing our growing empire It has been a hard and slow process but we are getting bigger, next turn we build 2 more cities, then another city over each of the subsequent 2 turns. We hope our growth will encourage you to be more confident in us as an ally.

Quizás si podríamos esperar ese tiempo e ir a por la parte de arriba de las techs ¿no?