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of Aptos, CA
Oct 1999
time: 21:31
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Originally posted by Saint Marcus
Lots of non-leftists are against Bush too. Chirac, Putin. Also, 3 out of 4 Germans and Frenchmen view Bush negatively. 3 out of 4! While in France, the majority votes for right wing parties, and in Germany around half! Plenty of right wingers who dislike Bush. Similar findings in Spain and Italy, where right wingers were voted into office, but 60% still had an unfavorable view of Bush.
So far from just "commies/greens" opposing Bush, lots of right wingers dislike him too. And people don't dislike Bush because he's right wing, they dislike him (and most other republicans, and quite a few democrats) for their (in our opinion) ignorant and short sighted views on world affairs, for their overt nationalist and religious displays, etc. And this isn't limited to US presidents, guys like Berlusconi are universally dispised as well. |
As I said before, Chirac is purely anti-American. It makes no difference who the president is.
When Berlusconi is "equally" despised, I begin to question just how right wing these Bush-haters are. This really is a left-right issue. Bush is not an appeaser of the left. That, more than anything else, is what pisses them off.
Why Putin threw in with the leftists is puzzling, since he too is a hardline anti-terrorist leader. I think it may have had to do with Russia's long time good relations with Saddam. But, now that that is over, Putin and Bush have patched things up. It was Putin, after all, who brokered the 15-0 UNSC resolution in favor of giving the US a mandate in Iraq.
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Saint Marcus
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Scio Me Nihil Scire
Jan 1970
time: 06:31
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These are really funny polls. In the US, using representative samples, Bush has a 55% approval rating. Among young adults, Bush has a 66% approval rating.
This site sure has funky demographics. |
well DUH 
those polls are held under Americans, while this one has non-Americans voting as well.
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Saint Marcus, I agree that socialists are less extreme Marxists than communists. But they still are against freedom to the extent they are against free enterprise. Now, a person who believes in a social safety-net while supporting free enterprise - well, in the US, that is the very definition of a Republican. So those outside the US who hate Republicans cannot be interested in pro-business capitalism with a social safety net. They must be interested in socialism. |
What about other leftists? Social Democrats for one. As I recall, your biggest ally in the War in Iraq is a Social Democrat! He's not that left wing, but still a Social Democrat.
And pro-business capitalism? See how good it's working. **cough**Enron**cough**
And what do you think of other rightwingers? Not every rightwinger is a republican.
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Saint Marcus
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Scio Me Nihil Scire
Jan 1970
time: 06:31
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You talking about Blair? Well, Blair is fairly conservative on most issues, is he not? |
yes, for a leftist.  But he's as right-wing as Bill Clinton was!
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I assume that this must be true outside the US as well. |
Not really. Republicans are disliked among non-socialists/greens as well. For different reasons, of course.
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It just seems that those who believe in class warfarism (the "social-justice" crowd) are in the majority in Europe. |
in France, right wingers were voted in power. Ditto for Holland, Italy, Spain, etc. The people who voted for them are FAR from being into class warfare. Yet, most of them STILL dislike Republicans. Or at least, the current administration.
So please stop your two dimensional "if you hate Republicans you must be an extremist lefty" argumentation. It just doesn't hold ground in the rest of the world, where rightwingers join moderates and leftwingers in their oposition of the Dubya administration.
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04-11-2003 03:47
I understand that most rightists aren't quite as extreme as him, so....
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