03-11-2003 02:40									#1
	C3C - Epic Game Units Support Apolyton or Terrorists Win

Just the NEW units to the Epic Game

Unit Type Cost A.D.M B.R.RF A-A Tech/Wonder
Ancient Cav. Cav. Wonder 3.2.2 Zeus
Crusader Foot Wonder 5.3.1 Knights Temp
Trebuchet Artillery 30 0.0.1 6.1.1 Engineer
Cruiser Naval 160 15.10.6 7.1.2 1 Combust
Curragh Naval 15 1.1.2 0 Trans Cap Alphabet
TOW Infantry Foot 120 12.14.1 6.0.1 Rocketry
Flak Anti-Air 70 1.6.1 2 Flight
Mobile SAM Anti-Air 100 1.6.2 4 Rocketry

Sumeria's Enkidu Warrior
Cost: 10, 1.2.1, Upgrades to Pikeman

Hittite's Three-Man Chariot
Cost: 30, 2.2.2, Upgrade: Knight, Req. The Wheel

Portugal's Carrack
Cost: 40, 2.2.4 (Cap 3), Upgrade: Galleon, Req. Astronomy

Byzantine's Dromon
Cost: 30, 2.1.3 (Cap 2), 2.1.2, Caravel, Req. Map Making, Lethal Sea Bombardment

Netherland's Swiss Mercenary
Cost: 30, 1.4.1, Upgrade: Musketeer, Req. Feudalism

Inca's Chasqui Scout
Cost: 20, 1.1.2, Upgrade: Explorer, Ignore Hill/Mountain

Maya's Javelin Thrower
Cost: 30, 2.2.1, Enslaves to Worker, Req. Warrior Code


Jesse
Firaxis Games
C3C, Producer

Last edited by JesseSmith on 03-11-2003 at 07:49

	03-11-2003 03:37									#2
	Put an end to popups!

Thanks Jesse!

The Cruiser is the one that I hadn't heard of before. And I'm glad it's back, from CivII.

	03-11-2003 04:14									#3
	Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

New units, yum.

	03-11-2003 04:35									#4
	Re: C3C - Epic Game Units Inflate your Upload Space

quote: Originally posted by JesseSmith Curragh Naval 15 1.1.2 0 Trans Cap Alphabet

What do you guys think about Seafaring now?!


Dominae

	03-11-2003 04:47									#5
	Put an end to popups!

The cruiser sounds awesome, but I wonder with ADM of 15.10.6 will the stats of the battleship be changed?

	03-11-2003 04:49									#6
	Support Apolyton, buy Galactic Civilizations: Deluxe Edition

Oh, and what about screenshots? Will we get any of those for the new epic units?

	03-11-2003 05:09									#7
	Avatar Enlargement: We've got the solution

quote: Originally posted by Defcon5 The cruiser sounds awesome, but I wonder with ADM of 15.10.6 will the stats of the battleship be changed?

Other than AA why should they? All the cruiser stats are midway between Destroyer and Battleship.

	03-11-2003 05:14									#8
	Support Apolyton, buy Galactic Civilizations: Deluxe Edition

Jesse shared the government stats over at CFC:
C3C - Government Breakdown

	03-11-2003 05:38									#9
	Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

that's only 8 new units... maybe jesse forgot the modern paratrooper?

	03-11-2003 05:48									#10
	Support Apolyton, buy Galactic Civilizations

I left out the modern paratrooper out since I consider it more of an expanded unit (it uses the original paratrooper's art work) while the WWII paratrooper uses new artwork. Here's their stats

Paratrooper Costs: 90, 4.9.1, Op: 6, Advanced Flight, ZOC
Mod. Para. Costs: 110, 6.11.1, Op 8, Synthetic Fibers, ZOC

Here's the list of changes to the Civ3/PTW Epic Game Units.

All
• Healing in enemy territory (healing amount is increased with the Small Wonder - Battlefield Medicine)

Land
• Armies –Increased combat effectiveness, greater healing capabilities, pillage w/o move cost, +1 movement, ZOC, Blitz, Radar
• Archer upgrade tree - Defensive 1st Strike
o Archer, Bowman, Longbowman, Musketeer, Guerilla, TOW Infantry
• Marine – Cost: 12, Attack: 12, No ZOC
• Explorers requires Astronomy instead of Navigation

Naval
• Caravel – Move: 4
• Frigate – Move: 5, Bombard: (3/1/2)
• Privateer – Move: 5, Enslavement: Privateer
• Ironclads – 5(6)/6/3, Upgrades to Destroyer
• Transport – Move: 6, Defense: 2, Capacity: 6
• Destroyer – Move: 8, Air Defense: 1, Detect Invisible
• Battleship – Move: 5, Air Defense: 2
• AEGIS Cruiser – Move: 7, Air Defense: 3, Detect Invisible, Radar
• Carrier – Move: 7, Air Defense: 1
• Nuclear Submarines – Stealth Attack, Detect Invisible
• Submarines – Stealth Attack, Detect Invisible

Air
• Helicopter – Op Range: 6, Capacity: 3, Defense: 2
• Fighter – Op Range: 6, Bombard: 3, Lethal Sea
• Bomber – Op Range: 10, Bombard: 10, Lethal Sea/Land
• Jet Fighter – Op Range: 9, Bombard: 3, Lethal Sea
• Stealth Fighter – Op Range: 12, Defense: 6, Bombard: 6, Lethal Sea/Land
• Stealth Bomber – Op Range: 16, Defense: 5, Bombard: 18, Lethal Sea/Land

Bombard
• Radar Artillery – Move: 2, Range: 2
• Cruise Missile – Bombard Range: 4
• Tactical Nuke – Bombard Range: 6

Unique
• Bowman – Defensive 1st Strike
• Conquistadors – Requires Astronomy instead of Navigation
• War Elephant - +1 HP
• Cossack – 6/3/3, Blitz, Cost: 90
• Keshik – Ignores Hill movement costs
• Gallic Swordsman – Cost: 40
• Musketeer – Defensive 1st Strike
• Man-O-War – Bombard: 4, Attack: 5, Enslavement
• H’wacha – Bombard: 8, Lethal Sea/Land
• F-15 – Lethal Sea/Land
• Jaguar Warrior – Cost: 15

FYI, Defensive 1st Strike is when a unit gets to attack 1st when Defending (ie: catapults in a defending stack)

Last edited by JesseSmith on 03-11-2003 at 07:48

	03-11-2003 06:09									#11
	Support Apolyton, buy Galactic Civilizations

Wow, lots of great stuff there. Can't wait until tuesday. grrr.

to increased naval moves

the archer first strike will be very interesting to see in effect.

	03-11-2003 06:14									#12
	Put an end to popups!

wow... thanks!

	03-11-2003 06:34									#13
	Suffering from ads?

This is quite promising! I count many improvements...

I specifically like the upgrade of ironclad to destroyer.

Thanks for the info!

	03-11-2003 06:38									#14
	Help yourself to an AD-FREE life

Jessie,


so units can now cost 5, 15, 25 etc? neat little change

can you tell us how A-A works?

	03-11-2003 07:02									#15
	Browse Apolyton AD-FREE

sorry to sound dumb....but what exactly is "blitz", i saw that the cossack now has that ability. If someone could fill me in that would be great. Thanks.

	03-11-2003 07:10									#16
	Support Apolyton

a blitzing unit can attack many times in the same turn (such as tanks...)

	03-11-2003 07:15									#17
	Support Apolyton, buy Call to Power 2

"blitz": multiple attacks in one move (each costing at least one movement point).

	03-11-2003 07:20									#18
	Avatar Enlargement: We've got the solution

Good eye Korn!

Units no longer cost multiples of 10. So if a unit is set in the editor to cost 24 then it is 24 shields, not 240! This was a must for the modding community!

I'll be doing a post on A-A shortly!

	03-11-2003 07:26									#19
	Lose 30 kilos (of popups)

Jessie

wow!!!!! that's an awesome change! does it apply for buildings as well?

	03-11-2003 07:38									#20
	Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

quote: Inca's Chasqui Scout Cost: 20, 1.1.2, Upgrade: Conquistador, Ignore Hill/Mountain

Huh?

quote: Netherland's Swiss Mercenary Cost: 30, 1.4.1, Upgrade: Musketeer, Req. Feudalism

Upgrades to Musketeer?

This sounds bad for Swiss Mercs (although you'd have to excuse me when I'm slow to connecting my saltpeter )

	03-11-2003 07:48									#21
	Help yourself to an AD-FREE life

Korn: Unfortunately not...

Conquistador is a mistake - they upgrade to Explorers.

	03-11-2003 08:18									#22
	Inflate your Upload Space

quote: Originally posted by JesseSmith Units no longer cost multiples of 10. So if a unit is set in the editor to cost 24 then it is 24 shields, not 240! This was a must for the modding community!

wow, that is great

	03-11-2003 08:54									#23
	Get a bigger avatar today!

thanks for the explanation of blitz, it was actually something i knew, i just never knew the proper terminology.

	03-11-2003 09:32									#24
	Support Apolyton, buy Civilization 2

The blitz for Cossack is a BIG-TIME improvement for them.

Lethal land /sea is cool, now that we have A-A defense for land and naval units.

	03-11-2003 09:39									#25
	Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

Now I may have to actually build an F-15.

	03-11-2003 10:16									#26
	Remove this text

Dude, this is awesome (I've been saying that a lot lately about Conquests).

The new naval stats are a huge improvement, especially the addition of anti-air capabilities and stealth attack to submarines... but of course this is going to make protecting transports much harder ...you'll probably have to send a couple of your subs along with your transports.

	03-11-2003 10:21									#27
	Avatar Enlargement: We've got the solution

So Jesse, given that it IS now possible to give units a cost in increments of single units, instead of increments of 10, is there ANY possibility AT ALL that you guys might introduce a similar ability, for improvements, into a future patch (or XP )? I'm sure Korn, and all the other fantastic modders out there (whose ranks I soon hope to join ) would find this to also be an absolute MUST !!
Still, though, thanks for ALL the fantastic info, Jesse, on this and the governments, and exploration/trade, editor flags.....!! I have to be careful NOT to drool on my keyboard !!

Yours,
Aussie_Lurker.

	03-11-2003 11:08									#28
	Got spare money?

Blitzing Cossack! YES! This is great; it finally pulls the Cossack ahead of that damned Sipahi, as it should be.

-Ben

	03-11-2003 12:40									#29
	Increase the size of your Attachments

Jes, you forgot the +1HP for Ancient Cav

	03-11-2003 13:02									#30
	Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

Hmm.. this stuff is interesting. I've still been on the line about playing Civ3 anymore, but with this xpack, I may just have to.