03-11-2003 06:30									#1
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Just thought you'd like to know I've been reading up on FIFA and TCM 2004.

FIFA 2004 will have a new career mode that uses a stripped down version of TCM, so finally some real management in this game but - here's the cool thing - if you own both games they can feed off each other as they share the same data! Yep, you can play on FIFA and then send the data to TCM, or you can play with your team on TCM and then actually play the matches properly by using FIFA.

Is this the ultimate soccer game combo we've been waiting for?

	03-11-2003 07:05									#2
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Apparently Pro Evolution Soccer 3 wipes the floor with all footy games, and as we know, Champ Manager is the King of footy management. (not including CM4), i think this is a poor effort by EA to regain the footy crown.

Its a nice idea but FIFA's gameplay just doesnt keep my interest long term. I always used to dream of Sensible World of Soccer and Champ Manager combo back on the Amiga.

	03-11-2003 07:31									#3
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Sorry, what do you mean by "not including CM4"? Do you not think that CM4 is as good as previous versions?

BTW, the next version fo CM4 called CM03/04 is imminent.

Also, is the PC version of Pro Evolution Soccer 3 as good as the console versions of is it just a tacky-looking conversion?

	03-11-2003 08:13									#4
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CM4 was unfinished when it was released in March(?), and it took a few months and 5 "Expansion Packs" to get rid of the more obvious bugs, but left in things like no stadium expansions, bugs in 2D mode and repetitive text mode, that was unforgiveable so i dont own the game anymore.

I wont be buying 03/04 either. After this version Eidos (the publisher) and Sports Interactive (the developer) will part company, Eidos will own the rights to the name "CM" and SI will keep the player database IIRC, so we'll probably see a new contender from SI.

Pro Evo 3 is supposed to be a pretty good conversion, with high resolutions and more options, this is what ive heard anyway, ill be buying it even if its a plain copy though.

	03-11-2003 15:23									#5
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I have no qualms with CM4. To me it is the greatest in a series of great games.

The fact that Eidos will keep the name means nothing. Everybody knows that SI are the ones that develop this game, and the ones that can guaraantee quality in this genre.

All the researchers are working for SI, not Eidos, so the game wont lose anything by SI and Eidos splitting up.

Asmodean

	03-11-2003 15:47									#6
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The game engine is still by SI too.
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IIRC a demo OF PES has been released recently.

	03-11-2003 23:54									#7
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I also think that FIFA 2004/TCM 2004 combo is just a poor attempt from EA to regain the crown (not that they ever had it, every serious football gamer knows that WE/Pro Evol. Soccer is the real king). I have high expectations about Pro Evolution Soccer PC version, and there is no doubt that CM series is the best in football management.

It will be an interesting fight.

	04-11-2003 03:26									#8
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The problem with football management games is that they are becoming increasingly complicated.

I miss the simple basic fun.

Yes, I never advanced past the CM2 1994/1995 edition.

	04-11-2003 04:10									#9
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quote: Originally posted by Alex I also think that FIFA 2004/TCM 2004 combo is just a poor attempt from EA to regain the crown (not that they ever had it, every serious football gamer knows that WE/Pro Evol. Soccer is the real king). I have high expectations about Pro Evolution Soccer PC version, and there is no doubt that CM series is the best in football management. It will be an interesting fight.

Hmmm...a footie game that uses the word soccer in it's title. What is the world coming to??

Asmodean

	04-11-2003 04:27									#10
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quote: Hmmm...a footie game that uses the word soccer in it's title. What is the world coming to??

and a good footy game at that!

On realism, i think CM4 went abit too far, for example i loved dealing on the transfer market every summer in game time, but in CM4 its so frustrating, which is realistic, but its not fun to feel nothing works, IMHO.

I still think CM peaked with 97/98, and one of the big reasons it did was the brilliant interface that made the game appear simpler than it was.

	04-11-2003 04:27									#11
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Soccer was originally a British term.

	04-11-2003 10:47									#12
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Well, I've got FIFA 2003 and TCM 2003 and I'm still trying to get my head round them so I may hold back on the 2004 versions (until they inevitably drop in price before the 2005 versions) and perhaps I should consider PES 3 which I have never seen in action before. I take it that it has an indepth management system of its own, and all-in-one, the be all and end all of soccer games etc. It must be a HUGE game since it's coming out on DVD only I think.

Where can I get hold of the demo?

	04-11-2003 13:55									#13
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Google it for "pro evolution soccer 3 demo", theres a few.

quote: I take it that it has an indepth management system of its own, and all-in-one, the be all and end all of soccer games etc.

Nope, no significant management system.

	04-11-2003 14:10									#14
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The PES crashes on my system every couple of minutes.
It seems to work on others though, so the proble might lie with me.
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From what I have seen, it's pretty good.
I have read though that it is a ported PES2 that runs under a emulator on your PC, that's should explain the rather high specs.

	04-11-2003 17:15									#15
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high specs? Then it is not for me.

* Alex starts to dust off the FIFA 2002 CD once again.

	04-11-2003 21:35									#16
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is pes3 coming tot he US anytime soon?

JOPn Miller

	04-11-2003 21:52									#17
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Should be, if there is a demo out.

	05-11-2003 08:07									#18
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Well, if it is simply a ported PES 2, that's put me off. But I think I'll hold off on the new FIFA & TCM stuff now until it's cheaper. Conquest will be my next purchase I think (though I'll think about RRT3).

	04-01-2004 06:27									#19
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Ok, now that TCM2004 is out, has anyone here got it yet? Can anyone tell me what it's like and its enhancements to the 2003 version? I saw one highly rated review of it - 9.2 out of 10 - but it was in Greek so I couldn't read it.

Also, what's the latest update of CM4 entitled CM03/04 like?

BTW, Pro Evolution Soccer 3 for the PC requires a GeForce 3 and I've only got a GeForce 2 so that leaves that one out.

	04-01-2004 07:33									#20
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is TCM coming out for the US anytime soon?

Jon Miller

	04-01-2004 08:14									#21
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CM03/04 IS BRILLIANT!!!!!

I'm stoked about getting it for 17 quid online, and am currently taking Margate to the dizzy heights of Division One. Reminds me of when I took Hull to the treble in CM2

	04-01-2004 10:02									#22
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I dont have TCM or CM03/04 i refuse to buy both, CM4 was a horrible experience and TCM is out of the question for me, id rather play CM01/02. I have PES3 for PC and ive played Winning Eleven 7 (Jap ver.) on PS2 its the best footy game by far FIFA SUCKS

	04-01-2004 11:33									#23
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Honestly, I think SI have hit it with CM03/04.

I've been playing CM since the early days, still have Italia around somewhere :hmm: I've been playing 00/01 before I got 03/04 for around 3 months and I think that 03/04 is much better and much more realistic than TCM.

And the PES series is better than FIFA anyway.

	04-01-2004 13:41									#24
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Has 03/04 solved all of CM4's problems then?

	04-01-2004 22:40									#25
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CM4 put me off CM, i mean sometimes i dont feel like going back to 01/02 or CM97/98 because of the 2D pitch, but then everything else about CM4 just doesnt make me want to play that either and i think its just shitty for SI or Eidos or whoever decided to release another CM when the first one is in such a state.

	06-01-2004 08:21									#26
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What I really want to know is - for those that played CM4 and were disappointed - has the 03/04 version made everything right for you again?