03-11-2003 15:36									#1
	Your opinions on Hotaru no haka (Grave of the Fireflies) - best anti-war movie ever! Support Apolyton, buy Civilization III: Complete

The best anti-war movie I have seen is Hotaru no haka (Grave of the Fireflies) (1988) directed by Isao Takahata, centered around the firebombing of Kobe (he understood the horrors of the strategic campaign were not limited to Nagasaki and Hiroshima), based on a work by someone who lived through the strategic bombing campaign. If anybody here hasn't seen it, please rent it. Only watch it on a sunny day, when you can take a walk with someone you are close to afterwards. Oddly enough when I introduced it to my wife we also had watched "Patton", and the juxtaposition was odd, because it dovetailed nicely with one of the Patton's last statemens, a little before his death. He just might have agreed with the sentiment of Hotaru no haka.

	03-11-2003 15:38									#2
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I'll see if I can find it here, but it's not likely.

	03-11-2003 16:54									#3
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I wasn't particularly impressed by it. I find Catch-22, All Quiet on the Western Front and Paths of Glory to be far superior anti-war films.

I prefer all of Miyazaki's other work to it, also.

	03-11-2003 17:07									#4
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barefoot gen was pretty good. haven't seen grave yet.

	03-11-2003 17:52									#5
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It's a good movie, but I don't know if was meant as exlicitly anti-war. It is semi-biographical, after all.

--"I prefer all of Miyazaki's other work to it, also."

Although made by Studio Ghibli, it wasn't a Miyazaki film. It was made by Isao Takahata.

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	03-11-2003 19:08									#6
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People on the Straight Dope are just gaga over this film - easily the most mentioned in the regular "what's your fave movie" threads. If your interested in hearing some intelligent discussion about this movie from others who love it, I suggest that you go there and do a search on "Grave" in the Cafe Society forum.

	03-11-2003 20:20									#7
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It made me cry.

	03-11-2003 20:26									#8
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It wasn't a Miyazaki work? Wow, no wonder I didn't like it so much!

	04-11-2003 08:35									#9
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Actually, I made the mistake of watching it thinking that it would be light fare- BIG SURPRISE. Yes it is autobiographical, which is why it is both so powerful and so sad. The point is not just the horror of the fire bombings, that get maybe 15 minutes of screen time. The point is the deprivations of war make people callous and unfeeling, or maybe it's "just" that in those circumstances children die unnoticed, and that so many people are callous and unfeeling, it's just the consequences are so much worse in war.

	04-11-2003 16:03									#10
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I'll second Barefoot Gen as a good anti-war movie. Strange when my old Army recruiter called me the first time I was watching it.

I'll have to give this Hataru no haka movie a look.

	08-11-2003 18:27									#11
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I just watched it today. My eyes are sore.

	08-11-2003 20:53									#12
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It hasn't come in Greece yet. I will try to catch it when it does.