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Sava is offline Sava
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I've finished a few scenarios... mostly custom maps and rule games I've made, but I can't see any scores in the Hall of Fame. Do scenario scores not count or something?

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HoF only shows scores from unmodded (non-scenario) games.

Not sure if this will change for Conquests (will the Conquests show in the HoF? )

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They don't count, one thing that also annoyed me quite a bit, because I always play my own mod and never get a high score. As several people noticed that this is lacking, I really hope it'll be in C3C.

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I hate this.

and I've heard that conquests will be the same way

the only solution is to edit the file by hand. which kinda defeats the purpose for me.

seriously, this is a big drawback for me.

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seriously, this is a big drawback for me.

me too...

I wonder, is there a way to edit the default ruleset so that one can play the "regular" game with modifications and still get HoF scores?

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You can edit the Hall of Fame yourself in notepad for your scenarios. I know it's a pain, but it is all you can do for now.

HighScore.cv3 format
leadername A nnnnn B C D (Separate each item with a space)

A = the civ race counting from the list shown in the hall of fame. 1 is Rome, 24 is Korea.
B = level counting Chief as 0, Diety as 5.
C = type of vic/loss
VictoryType: Domination(0), Conquest(1), Cultural(2), Diplomatic(3), Spacerace(4), Retired(5), Histograph(6)
D = 1 means won 0 means lost

nnnnn is your final score.

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me too...

I wonder, is there a way to edit the default ruleset so that one can play the "regular" game with modifications and still get HoF scores?


No; the game somehow recognizes if the default bic/bix/biq file has been modified, and stops registering HoF scrores.

to Firaxis for that one.

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There was a period when I only played AU mod games and found out my HoF didn't change, despite that I beat several records.

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stupid Firaxis

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They should have provided a means to display the HoF at anytime, without using an editor.

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Overall, I say it's a bad thing. I play tons of fair scenarios which I wish the escore could be recorded after victory.
But earlier in my Civ-3 life I played some heavily-one-sided (in my favour) maps in which it was easy to get a pretty good score (just to be able to show-off my amazing scores). Guess it's trying to prevent that...

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Yes, a column in the HOF with the scenario name would have been an elegant solution.

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Isnīt this very easy to fix in a patch? maybe Firaxis isnīt aware that people want their Hof?

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But earlier in my Civ-3 life I played some heavily-one-sided (in my favour) maps in which it was easy to get a pretty good score (just to be able to show-off my amazing scores). Guess it's trying to prevent that...


You may be right, but I don't see any point to them being worried about it.
You can just use an editor and set any values you want. No one see the HoF, but you. There is no use to post it for bragging rights, as it is not proof of anything, so why not allow any games to be recorded?

I tried to use it as a means of keeping track of the civs I had played. That did not work as any modded games I got off the web were axed. Now I find it useless.

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They don't count, one thing that also annoyed me quite a bit, because I always play my own mod and never get a high score. As several people noticed that this is lacking, I really hope it'll be in C3C.


Create a backup of civ3mod.bic (.bix for PtW) and move your modded .bic file to the main civ3 folder and rename it civ3mod.bic. The game will use your mod as the default ruleset.

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Isnīt this very easy to fix in a patch? maybe Firaxis isnīt aware that people want their Hof?


Oh, they are aware. I've complained a lot about this when they first introduced it over a year ago.

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Oh, they are aware. I've complained a lot about this when they first introduced it over a year ago.


it wasnīt like this in vanilla civ3?

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I don't know if it was this way all along, but I know it has been a sore spot for at least a year.

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hehe Iīll just tell myself they will include this feature in the next patch

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How hard can it be to have the hightscore file load and save to the scenario specific folder for scenarios. I say they are just lazy

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it wasnīt like this in vanilla civ3?

No. added with PTW (or maybe Civ3 1.21f... I don't remember)

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haha, thatīs really funny to add something that only creates limits and not possibilities...

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When you win a conquest there is a victory table that keeps track of victories in all conquests. Similar to the HoF.

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You have to win a conquest to see it. At Least thats the only way I've seen it.

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what do you guys are the odds for them fixing it? man itīs so frustrating!

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what do you guys are the odds for them fixing it? man itīs so frustrating!

Umm, I don't see them fixing this. Let me explain why, when Civ III Vanilla came out, it was single player game. So, it did not matter if you modded the game. With the release of PTW, the game became a multi-player. So, think about this scenario person A, has modded the his game. he wants to play against person B, who has modded the game differently. I do not think the two versions would communicate very well of the internet. So, I think the makers of this game made the original version a read-only file, to encourage people who want to mod the game. To give it a different name. And say you have replaced certain civ's with other one. That kind of messes up the Hall of Fame, when switching between mods. So, I think this is the makers of this game way of making a standard mod for multi-players and that the Hall of Fame is a side effect of that, not intentional. But, the way it has to be.
Now, I hate it that my modded games never get automatically recorded in the Hall of Fame, being I never plain on playing a multi-player game. So, I read a few things on here and I manualy write my scores into the Notebook file for the Hall of Fame. Because, most of what I modded in the game is just better city lists and a few other things. Now, I don't blame the makers for what they did, they had there reasons for doing that. I just took care of the problem myself. My request is to have someone write some kind of an outside utility program that would make it easier to write in the values for the hall of Fame and then write those values on that file.

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