07-11-2003 20:13									#31
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quote: Originally posted by Cookie Monster Here's my short take on the game so far. Performed in store lift test - passed. (nice heavy box) Manual is actually filled with some usefull information, unlike PTW's manual.

Alright! These are, although not really important in the long run, very good for that instant gratification factor.

A good manual... I haven't read a good manual since SMAC came out, and before that Civ2! I SO look forward to this.

I love to RTFM - but they keep dumbing them down

Is the MoO3 manual chunky? If so I may buy that game.

	07-11-2003 21:15									#32
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quote: Originally posted by MrWhereItsAt Alright! These are, although not really important in the long run, very good for that instant gratification factor. A good manual... I haven't read a good manual since SMAC came out, and before that Civ2! I SO look forward to this. I love to RTFM - but they keep dumbing them down Is the MoO3 manual chunky? If so I may buy that game.

Yeah it's a good manual, not chunky though only 79 pages. However at least it gives you adequate details about the new features of the game. This time I think Firaxis realized they better put out some decent literature!

But nothing beats the SMAC or CIV2 manuals, at least for this genre anyway. Those were manuals!

	07-11-2003 21:19									#33
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The manual was just enough to fill the time between getting home from work and the time when wife/kids went to bed. That's what I call the "don't you dare ignore us just because you got a new computer game" time. So I "spent time" with the family while perusing the manual.

As for the price, this expansion pack is well worth it from what I've seen so far, and I played about 12 hours yesterday (liking my "flex schedule").

	07-11-2003 21:22									#34
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quote: Originally posted by Stuie The manual was just enough to fill the time between getting home from work and the time when wife/kids went to bed. That's what I call the "don't you dare ignore us just because you got a new computer game" time. So I "spent time" with the family while perusing the manual.

I love how wives always bug you about not igoring the family just because you got a new game. I thought I was the only one who heard that before! Hence this is why I only got 1 hour in last night.

	07-11-2003 21:26									#35
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quote: Originally posted by Cookie Monster I love how wives always bug you about not igoring the family just because you got a new game. I thought I was the only one who heard that before! Hence this is why I only got 1 hour in last night.

You got to be kidding!

They ALL do to one extent or another.

Life sucking ...................

Well I better stop before I get into trouble!

	07-11-2003 21:35									#36
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Seeing the general consencus seems to very positive to put it mildly, does this mean we aren't going to see reappearence from Coracle

	07-11-2003 21:38									#37
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quote: Originally posted by alva Seeing the general consencus seems to very positive to put it mildly, does this mean we aren't going to see reappearence from Coracle

Speaking of which where is Yin at these days! If only he could see us now!

	07-11-2003 21:43									#38
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Yin is posting at this forum lately. (look in one of the topped threads.

	07-11-2003 21:45									#39
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quote: Originally posted by Cookie Monster Speaking of which where is Yin at these days! If only he could see us now!

He posted in a couple threads earlier this week. He said he was waiting for the "$19.99 bundle" the packages everything together.

	07-11-2003 23:48									#40
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quote: Originally posted by Stuie He posted in a couple threads earlier this week. He said he was waiting for the "$19.99 bundle" the packages everything together.

Sounds like a classic Yin statement to me.

Honestly though I originally thought that I'd wait for bargain bin prices. I'm glad I got the game now though because this product is far superior to it's predecessors right out of the box. I'm sure that as time goes by bugs will be discovered but thankfully this time, Firaxis doesn't have to perform damage control.

	07-11-2003 23:50									#41
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Yes. It is definitely $30.00 more game.

	08-11-2003 00:47									#42
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I think all you need to do is recall how the board was after PTW came out and how it is now. We do not have the scores of threads bemoaning the problems. It is mostly very positive.

	08-11-2003 01:49									#43
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quote: Originally posted by vmxa1 I think all you need to do is recall how the board was after PTW came out and how it is now. We do not have the scores of threads bemoaning the problems. It is mostly very positive.

This is so true. Actually the boards have been quiet compared to the old days. Guess everyone is still trying to explore before commenting.

	08-11-2003 02:20									#44
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This xpack has redeemed Civ3 for me. I didn't buy PTW though, so I am getting a lot of bang for the buck this time around.

	08-11-2003 03:19									#45
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quote: Originally posted by Anun Ik Oba This xpack has redeemed Civ3 for me. I didn't buy PTW though, so I am getting a lot of bang for the buck this time around.

That is what is going to get me to buy C3C.....bang for the buck.

ACK!

	08-11-2003 03:24									#46
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quote: Originally posted by b_ramsdell Is this expansion pack worth giving $30 for it. Do they really add that much to the game? I feel like I was taken with the PTW pack, because all it really added was multiplayer which was promised as a download for free when Civ III came out.

hi ,

where was ptw promised as a free download , ......

and YES its worth every single dime

what kind of a Q is that anyways , .....

have a nice day

	08-11-2003 03:26									#47
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I'm gonna say yes. I've already spent 3 hours with it, and I've only had it for about that long. If I spend about 150 hours playing, then it comes out to 20 cents an hour.

	08-11-2003 04:30									#48
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You have created stacked trolling though

	08-11-2003 04:48									#49
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So, I haven't followed the C3C hype. What are the changes mentioned? My majority of play was with the earlier versions; I played a bit of PTW, but it didn't really seem to add much to the game, aside from some nice AI tweaks. What has changed now?

	08-11-2003 05:01									#50
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Not sure how up-to-date it is, should give you a rough idea.

http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...&threadid=95446

	08-11-2003 05:04									#51
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Thanks........good info. So you don't need PTW to play this, but all the PTW AI changes are included?

	08-11-2003 05:06									#52
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PTW even comes with it for free.

	08-11-2003 20:17									#53
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You are joking about PtW coming free with it, right?

Else that invalidates the need for the Civ3 Gold pack - all you need is the original Civ3 and C3C in that case.

What do you mean by PtW comes with it? Do you mean that, upon installing C3C you get a C3C and a PtW subdirectory to the Civ3 main directory and you can play each one separately, or just that all the changes from PtW (The Internet, new civs) are in C3C as well?

	08-11-2003 20:29									#54
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C3C certainly includes "all the PTW content" so in that sense you're getting it for free. How the folder structure and executables are arranged I have no idea.

	08-11-2003 20:33									#55
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Civ3 Gold includes all 3 games? That does seem redundant if the info here is true.

	08-11-2003 20:36									#56
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Nope, "Civ3 Gold" includes just Civ3+PTW. You have to buy C3C seperately.
see this thread: http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...?threadid=99855

	08-11-2003 20:40									#57
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quote: upon installing C3C you get a C3C and a PtW subdirectory to the Civ3 main directory and you can play each one separately,

That is the idea, if anyone who actually has the game could confirm this, please

	08-11-2003 20:56									#58
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quote: Originally posted by FrustratedPoet Nope, "Civ3 Gold" includes just Civ3+PTW. You have to buy C3C seperately. see this thread: http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...?threadid=99855

Ah I see. Still seems like the redundancy comment is true though.

	08-11-2003 21:34									#59
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Yes, you do and can. The main thing left out of the PTW stuff was all the 'Best of the Net' stuff.

	08-11-2003 22:42									#60
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I installed C3C. I already had CivIII and PTW. After the installed it, I have a start menu for Atari. It has PTW and C3C. My old start menu for Infogrames now only has CivIII. The PTW was removed.
All files are in the original directory. I manually created a start entry for CivIII and move both to it so I can find all three in one place.

I suspect the reason for GOld (other than money) is for those that are not stocking the original CivIII any longer. In that case you would be fried as C3C would not be playable without CivIII.