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Elok
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Land of Ramen Dragons
Mar 2003
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Knew a girl. Cute, smart, friendly, honest, said she was a definite agnostic, but "very interested in religion as a subject." I figured, okay, she's not a believer but at least she's open-minded. Might as well get to know her, she might be single some day.
I'm beginning to think I thought wrong. I'm pretty sure I've fallen for a Divine Anthropologist, a woman who studies religion for the same reason many scientists study chimps, or violent warring tribes in the middle of nowhere. My kind are an amusing, primitive, backwards sort of parody of real people, and it entertains her to look at us and speculate on the many subtle differences that make us the clear inferiors that we are.
WHY DO PEOPLE DO THAT? I don't think it's self-esteem. What is it that makes otherwise nice people look down their noses and laugh for a passing diversion? If I am wrong, how does that make atheists happy? Why do people act like condescending ****** under any circumstances in the first place?
In conclusion: I have wasted several weeks of my life in a moonstruck daze. Argh.
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MrFun
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Nov 2000
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quote:
Originally posted by Elok
Knew a girl. Cute, smart, friendly, honest, said she was a definite agnostic, but "very interested in religion as a subject." I figured, okay, she's not a believer but at least she's open-minded. Might as well get to know her, she might be single some day.
I'm beginning to think I thought wrong. I'm pretty sure I've fallen for a Divine Anthropologist, a woman who studies religion for the same reason many scientists study chimps, or violent warring tribes in the middle of nowhere. My kind are an amusing, primitive, backwards sort of parody of real people, and it entertains her to look at us and speculate on the many subtle differences that make us the clear inferiors that we are.
WHY DO PEOPLE DO THAT? I don't think it's self-esteem. What is it that makes otherwise nice people look down their noses and laugh for a passing diversion? If I am wrong, how does that make atheists happy? Why do people act like condescending ****** under any circumstances in the first place?
In conclusion: I have wasted several weeks of my life in a moonstruck daze. Argh. |
You know what -- I wager that the way you felt when she treated you in this patronizing way, is similar to how me and many other non-heterosexuals feel when some other religious people patronize us as "lost sheep."
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Jon Miller
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everyone is interesting and valuable if you take thetaime to get to know them
I only regret that I don't have the time to get to know everyone
Jon Miller
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Berzerker
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topeka, kansas,USA
May 1999
time: 23:31
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I figured, okay, she's not a believer but at least she's open-minded. Might as well get to know her, she might be single some day. |
Now there's a man of god for ya, in search of the divine vagina. 
Elok, you're making an assumption about her. If there is any knock on anthropologists, it's their unwillingness to make (vocally anyway) judgements about the cultures they study. Also, you went from claiming she is agnostic to indicting atheists. If she's agnostic, she doen't know if God exists... What more can you ask of a person if you don't have actual proof to convince them otherwise?
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Lincoln
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It is difficult to reach anyone who thinks that they know everything. Humility is a lost virtue. Maybe someday she will be in some type of trouble and she will call out to God for help. Then you can study her...
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Sikander
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Boulder, Colorado, United Snakes of America
Jan 2000
time: 22:31
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She's either a complete *****, and you should be rid of her asap, or there's more to it. If there is more to it, perhaps you can explore that a bit by asking her why she seems to be so cruel or at best clinical. She may be interested in you or interested in your religious views or both, but afraid to admit it because like many here on OT she is loathe to admit that she doesn't have all the answers (or far more readily to admit that religion may have a few itself), and perhaps embarrassed to be hanging around with a religious person discussing religion. In other words the clinical study she's been doing of you might be a dodge for other feelings either personal or religious. If this is the case you may be judging her too harshly, perhaps because you yourself are a bit sensitive about these issues. Bottom line, if you are still curious about her talk to her. If she doesn't seem to be willing to be honest and really communicate, dump her. That's a deal breaker regardless.
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Capt Dizle
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Elok,
Frankly, absent the presence of the Holy Spirit, the religious do appear to be the equivalent of some sort of maladjusted lunatic lost tribe of savages.
So, pray for her, that God might reach out and touch her.
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Elok
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Land of Ramen Dragons
Mar 2003
time: 00:31
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I get the feeling that the situation is made out to be less complex than I think it is. I'm thinking of something like a blind spot, and as always I'm essentially talking out of me rear. These are, after all, only sullen suspicions; I've never been in her head.
BTW Sikander, that's pretty much the conclusion I came to myself. Like I said, she's spoken for, so it's a matter of indulging my own curiosity more than anything else.
She categorizes herself as an agnostic/atheist, Berz. I usually distinguish the two terms as the difference between somebody who says there is no God and means it on a philosophical level, and somebody who believes it with the kind of fervor usually reserved for more positive ideals. The dictionary definition isn't terribly significant in the grand scheme of things, so I use words like Humpty Dumpty in Through the Looking Glass. Now I'm making literary allusions. Man, I must be in a weird way.
Anyway, I just had to vomit some angst. Thanks to all who were there to catch it.
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Rogan Josh
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Atheist ppl presume to know everything Japher... They KNOW that there is no hell to go to.
They all KNOW how the universe began and man came into existence...
All I tell them is that they also once KNEW that the universe follows determanistic laws and that they were wrong there!
Atheism is a bunch of poorly thoughtout guesses, don't take them seriously if they bash you, just stay away from them and forgive them since they can't forgive you...
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Rogan Josh
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quote:
Originally posted by MrFun
Well I also know that you're playing stupid right now -- I meant that religious people presume to know how sexual orientation develops -- that they presume it's a choice.
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Do you think that is really true? Do you think they think that it is the desire or the act which is important? I would have thought it was the act, and you can choose not to have gay sex. These people would say that it is the devil who is tempting you (so your desire is not your fault) and you must resist him. In fact, there are many Christians who disapprove of the new gay bishop not because he is gay, but because he is unashamedly 'practicing'.
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DinoDoc
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AECCP loves Democracy
Sep 1999
time: 23:31
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Mr Fun
Issues has an issue and she wants it to be everyone's issue. The discussion could be about fondue pots and Issue would rage about the multinational corporate conspiracy to exploit fondue pot workers. Of course, Issues is found among all ideological persuasions - anti-gun mothers, gun totin' mothers, bloodthirsty feminists, troglodyte misogynists, politically correct, politically incorrect, lefties, righties, vegetarians, carnivores, radical Rotarians - it doesn't matter. HINT: An effective tactic to employ against Issues is indifference.
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Elok
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Land of Ramen Dragons
Mar 2003
time: 00:31
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Er, sorry if I'm misreading you, Lorizael, but you do realize that Einstein said that as an argument AGAINST the verity of quantum mechanics, right? I can't tell how many layers of sarcasm you're using there.
Well, Ben, thing is, the girl is of course not rude enough to say flat-out that people who believe are fools. I don't even think she thinks of it that way in so many words. I just get the feeling that she has this basic unquestioned assumption at heart to the effect that my ideas are intrinsically ridiculous.
The primatologist never says, or maybe even consciously thinks, that the chimps he takes notes on are like inferior variants on himself, but the awareness is there at heart, a vague, shadowy concept never probed or questioned any more than the idea that birds need wings to fly. It's the kind of thing you can't really argue against. Haven't you seen it before?
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04-11-2003 03:19
Use her and lose her...
You like to **** other men and that's it. Surely you don't claim that your sexual tastes define who you are as a person? (That would be rather sad.)
I'd be interested in her conclusions.
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